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If this wasn't a thread 8 times a week it would get more attention. Additionally, it feels like threads about this subject are not open to discussion unless th

by iinnPP 3y ago

If this wasn't a thread 8 times a week it would get more attention. Additionally, it feels like threads about this subject are not open to discussion unless that discussion matches the HN crowd. Further, look at the headline and content of the article. It's a non-stop fear campaign that has two main reactions: 1. Fear that, could be argued, crosses into terrorism. 2. Ignorance because the government has gone above and beyond to signal that they only care about their own power and the power of their families. Now at the bottom I will mention that I have not created garbage in almost 5 years. I don't use gas and I have adapted my diet to use far less meat. I pickup recycling materials that have become litter so they don't reach landfills. I use less water for anything I can. I avoid harmful chemicals. I don't buy junk that breaks if I can help it. I fix things. My code is unreasonably efficient. I have used my talents to force positive environmental changes from billion dollar corporations using the letter of law. I get called a right wing bigot all the time in threads like this because I disagree with the methods that are being used. They are clearly ineffective. Of course the only solution that will be proposed is that of the removal of freedom. My freedom to do the right thing isn't going to save me from this fact. Maybe all the devs at HN can stop writing slow, gross, and overengineered slop. No more 100mb websites that spin up fans to handle a paragraph or less worth of text. What is the deal with 2030 anyway? We won't make it, what's plan B and when is 2030 too close for plan A to work?

aaomidi 3y ago
Every single subsequent plan after we miss the deadline of the last one is going to require more and more disruption into our personal lives. If you don’t like the loss of freedom now, you definitely will not like what the solutions to climate change are going to be if we don’t take the actions now.
- iinnPP 3y ago
  What actions? One thing I never see is a list of everything that must occur to reach the 2030 goal. It's much like the article of doom and gloom and 'the only solution is to vote for Party A, B, C, or D.' We have Party C in Canada right now. Capable of gaining approval for anything using a coalition of Party C and Party A. Yet, we do nothing to combat carbon. Instead, we offset our footprint by having it outside of the border. The people in power, from all parties, are incapable of making the important decisions. This is by design. These politicians are there mostly for power. Going to your voters with a statement like "you have to modify your diet" is opposite of what these elected/placed individuals will do. I propose an immediate and strong response from a party with the power to do so. If you happen to have power in Canada, perhaps you read this and actually do something? Kill the meat subsidy, Let's start there. Move it to a vegan alternative or move it to better sources of the removed nutrients. Create a program for mini homes (that are carbon neutral by design) Tax excessively sized vehicles instead of gas (which harms the poor and increases waste [unproven theory]) Fix recycling. Charge for garbage collection. Build road-free cities. There's a whole lot of low hanging fruit that could be tackled in a matter of weeks in Canada. Same with California.
antisthenes 3y ago
Plan B is to reschedule for Plan C in 2040. Humanity's not going to meet any goals, unless by accident a war happens that wipes out large swathes of population, thus removing demand for carbon-based goods and fuels. I used to be more optimistic 10-15 years ago, but now my optimism has been worn down to naked comedic cynicism. I think the personal plan is to just mitigate climate change for your family and friends the best you can. > I get called a right wing bigot all the time in threads like this because I disagree with the methods that are being used. They are clearly ineffective. What do you think are the methods being used?
- iinnPP 3y ago
  Carbon tax and talk. The carbon tax has had an incredibly negative impact on the members of my extended family whom are disabled or retired. It's decreased their nutritional intake, decreased their physical activity, and has exacerbated problems as a result. The "refund" of $150 for a year where the cost of groceries has gone up by that much per month for many small families, is not enough. These costs are not entirely from covid related inflation either. The worst offenders (greens) have seen the largest increases. Something like a head of romaine going from a commonly found $0.99 purchase to a purchase of $6.99. 90% of lettuce consumed in Canada is made using carbon in greenhouses. The tax of that carbon is removed by Ontario(which has its own carbpn tax) but the new Federal tax is not, nor are the former Federal taxes. Then there is the article here that offers a bunch of problems with no fix in sight. Do the same thing, they say.
  - antisthenes 3y ago
    I actually didn't realize Canada already has a carbon tax. Thank you for sharing. That refund does look laughably small compared to the price increases.

by iinnPP 3y ago

aaomidi 3y ago

Every single subsequent plan after we miss the deadline of the last one is going to require more and more disruption into our personal lives. If you don’t like the loss of freedom now, you definitely will not like what the solutions to climate change are going to be if we don’t take the actions now.

iinnPP 3y ago
What actions? One thing I never see is a list of everything that must occur to reach the 2030 goal. It's much like the article of doom and gloom and 'the only solution is to vote for Party A, B, C, or D.' We have Party C in Canada right now. Capable of gaining approval for anything using a coalition of Party C and Party A. Yet, we do nothing to combat carbon. Instead, we offset our footprint by having it outside of the border. The people in power, from all parties, are incapable of making the important decisions. This is by design. These politicians are there mostly for power. Going to your voters with a statement like "you have to modify your diet" is opposite of what these elected/placed individuals will do. I propose an immediate and strong response from a party with the power to do so. If you happen to have power in Canada, perhaps you read this and actually do something? Kill the meat subsidy, Let's start there. Move it to a vegan alternative or move it to better sources of the removed nutrients. Create a program for mini homes (that are carbon neutral by design) Tax excessively sized vehicles instead of gas (which harms the poor and increases waste [unproven theory]) Fix recycling. Charge for garbage collection. Build road-free cities. There's a whole lot of low hanging fruit that could be tackled in a matter of weeks in Canada. Same with California.

antisthenes 3y ago

Plan B is to reschedule for Plan C in 2040. Humanity's not going to meet any goals, unless by accident a war happens that wipes out large swathes of population, thus removing demand for carbon-based goods and fuels. I used to be more optimistic 10-15 years ago, but now my optimism has been worn down to naked comedic cynicism. I think the personal plan is to just mitigate climate change for your family and friends the best you can. > I get called a right wing bigot all the time in threads like this because I disagree with the methods that are being used. They are clearly ineffective. What do you think are the methods being used?

iinnPP 3y ago
Carbon tax and talk. The carbon tax has had an incredibly negative impact on the members of my extended family whom are disabled or retired. It's decreased their nutritional intake, decreased their physical activity, and has exacerbated problems as a result. The "refund" of $150 for a year where the cost of groceries has gone up by that much per month for many small families, is not enough. These costs are not entirely from covid related inflation either. The worst offenders (greens) have seen the largest increases. Something like a head of romaine going from a commonly found $0.99 purchase to a purchase of $6.99. 90% of lettuce consumed in Canada is made using carbon in greenhouses. The tax of that carbon is removed by Ontario(which has its own carbpn tax) but the new Federal tax is not, nor are the former Federal taxes. Then there is the article here that offers a bunch of problems with no fix in sight. Do the same thing, they say.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  I actually didn't realize Canada already has a carbon tax. Thank you for sharing. That refund does look laughably small compared to the price increases.