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It’s always good to be sure and double-check periodically but it sure is tiring that we’re still kind of in the proof phase and not fully in the do something ph

It’s always good to be sure and double-check periodically but it sure is tiring that we’re still kind of in the proof phase and not fully in the do something phase.

javcasas 3y ago
You know, there is a significant amount of people that don't want to sacrifice anything of their comfort or profits, that expected to die of old age before this happened. But nature doesn't wait for petty plans to complete.
- thumbuddy 3y ago
  100 percent. In the US there are still people who don't believe COVID 19 existed or that it took out over a million people. Or that the US population is <400 million people and that semi trucks filled with dead Americans across the country was ever a problem. Propaganda makes it much much easier for bad faith industrial actors to sabotage an entire country, or I suppose even the world. Pump and dumping civilization has got to be an extraterrestrial meme or something...
- WeylandYutani 3y ago
  It's a small part of society that is flying to tropical islands for vacation. Electorally insignificant if democracy actually worked as it was feared. Even in my Western rich country a lot of people have never been in a airplane.
  - glimshe 3y ago
    It's hard to ask workers to stop flying during their discounted vacations when executives are flying to "meet people", monthly reviews or even single meetings.
- roenxi 3y ago
  Absolutely so. What are they supposed to be sacrificing their comfort and profit to achieve? Article says 61,000 people in Europe died in the 2022 heatwaves. Something like 60,000,000 people die annually (I'd guess about 6 million in Europe) [0]. How much comfort and profit were we meant to sacrifice to prevent that rounding error? Air pollution from coal plants that could directly kill people is a better argument for phasing them out than these heat waves. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year
  - myshpa 3y ago
    It's a global problem. Time of Europe will come soon enough.
  - mpweiher 3y ago
    More significantly, about 10x the number that die of heat-related causes die of cold-related causes. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5...
- hef19898 3y ago
  I think, it is rather people not wanting to sacrifice their profits who convince others that their comfort is at stake, that block every meaningful move at at least mitigating climate change...
  - blooalien 3y ago
    This right here is the real truth of the matter. We didn't have to give up a ton of comfort (if we'd taken this seriously enough decades ago when we should have), although now that we've put it off as long as we have, we're all gonna give up a ton of comforts before it's over, and there's no avoiding it now. This is the result of us allowing our "leaders" (and their corporate owners) to run rampant doing as they please for far too long, and it's now likely much too late to avoid the worst possible outcome. I have zero faith that humanity will try to "go out with some dignity".
- Fricken 3y ago
  If scientists observed people shovelling dirt into a large hole, and predicted that over time the hole would fill should people keep shovelling dirt into it, we wouldn't be seeing the same kinds of mental gymnastics as we do when scientists predict that pumping greenhouse gasses into to the sky causes things to get warmer.
gmuslera 3y ago
With COVID you develop symptoms and realize that you and the people you met almost a week after you got the disease and started to spread it to others. With this is the same, but with years and decades, by the time you notice visible enough symptoms it may be too late to stop all that is coming in the delivery train, but you can still have some margin to mitigate some of the damage. It’s not a system with so direct action and immediate reaction, things build up, accumulate, trigger feedback loops, and that in a scale that we won’t be able to stop by delaying action.

It’s always good to be sure and double-check periodically but it sure is tiring that we’re still kind of in the proof phase and not fully in the do something phase.

javcasas 3y ago

You know, there is a significant amount of people that don't want to sacrifice anything of their comfort or profits, that expected to die of old age before this happened. But nature doesn't wait for petty plans to complete.

thumbuddy 3y ago
100 percent. In the US there are still people who don't believe COVID 19 existed or that it took out over a million people. Or that the US population is <400 million people and that semi trucks filled with dead Americans across the country was ever a problem. Propaganda makes it much much easier for bad faith industrial actors to sabotage an entire country, or I suppose even the world. Pump and dumping civilization has got to be an extraterrestrial meme or something...
WeylandYutani 3y ago
It's a small part of society that is flying to tropical islands for vacation. Electorally insignificant if democracy actually worked as it was feared. Even in my Western rich country a lot of people have never been in a airplane.
- glimshe 3y ago
  It's hard to ask workers to stop flying during their discounted vacations when executives are flying to "meet people", monthly reviews or even single meetings.
roenxi 3y ago
Absolutely so. What are they supposed to be sacrificing their comfort and profit to achieve? Article says 61,000 people in Europe died in the 2022 heatwaves. Something like 60,000,000 people die annually (I'd guess about 6 million in Europe) [0]. How much comfort and profit were we meant to sacrifice to prevent that rounding error? Air pollution from coal plants that could directly kill people is a better argument for phasing them out than these heat waves. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year
- myshpa 3y ago
  It's a global problem. Time of Europe will come soon enough.
- mpweiher 3y ago
  More significantly, about 10x the number that die of heat-related causes die of cold-related causes. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00081-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5...
hef19898 3y ago
I think, it is rather people not wanting to sacrifice their profits who convince others that their comfort is at stake, that block every meaningful move at at least mitigating climate change...
- blooalien 3y ago
  This right here is the real truth of the matter. We didn't have to give up a ton of comfort (if we'd taken this seriously enough decades ago when we should have), although now that we've put it off as long as we have, we're all gonna give up a ton of comforts before it's over, and there's no avoiding it now. This is the result of us allowing our "leaders" (and their corporate owners) to run rampant doing as they please for far too long, and it's now likely much too late to avoid the worst possible outcome. I have zero faith that humanity will try to "go out with some dignity".
Fricken 3y ago
If scientists observed people shovelling dirt into a large hole, and predicted that over time the hole would fill should people keep shovelling dirt into it, we wouldn't be seeing the same kinds of mental gymnastics as we do when scientists predict that pumping greenhouse gasses into to the sky causes things to get warmer.

gmuslera 3y ago

With COVID you develop symptoms and realize that you and the people you met almost a week after you got the disease and started to spread it to others. With this is the same, but with years and decades, by the time you notice visible enough symptoms it may be too late to stop all that is coming in the delivery train, but you can still have some margin to mitigate some of the damage. It’s not a system with so direct action and immediate reaction, things build up, accumulate, trigger feedback loops, and that in a scale that we won’t be able to stop by delaying action.