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Please read the terms of use before using this: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/terms-of-use https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/terms-of-use Personal

by ilc 3y ago

Please read the terms of use before using this: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/terms-of-use https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/terms-of-use Personal and Non-Commercial Use Limitation Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. The playbook hasn't changed. The wrapper has.

naikrovek 3y ago
ok so Microsoft choosing to license their VScode editor, that they created, however they choose, is "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish", now? explain
- croes 3y ago
  You mean their version of what Atom did before and that only VS Code is allowed to use the VS Code marketplace. And of course things like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31760684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31760684 Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
  - WorldMaker 3y ago
    Key components of VS Code predated Atom by some years. VS Code started as the editor for the Azure Portal and was part of the Dev Tools in IE11 and Spartan Edge.
  - naikrovek 3y ago
    what are they embracing?! they made this on their own. they're allowed to license it however they want.
- ghuntley 3y ago
  https://ghuntley.com/fracture https://ghuntley.com/fracture goes into this.
- ilc 3y ago
  Embrace, the community, take the air out of the room for competing products. Extend, make a product only THEY can, that is a ++ product. Extinguish, turn that community's work into a cloud product that they can not compete against, and that product will become dominant. No longer "Open Source". Honestly judging by most developers they are doing a good job. They don't need to kill the entire market, but merely cripple it badly. For me, it is pretty obvious what's going on.
  - naikrovek 3y ago
    that's called "making a good product" and "a better product than your competitors". there no monopolistic manipulation, here. there are no deals with hardware makers to omit Sublime Text and pre-install VScode. there's no threat of refusing to sell Windows licenses or to increase their price if someone doesn't comply. nothing was embraced. nothing extended. they haven't forked Electron or used some open source component, forked it and added features so that the userbase has left the open version in exchange for Microsoft's extended version. this isn't EEE, this is basic product competition. I still maintain that since the 1990s, a LOT of people view Microsoft through evil-colored glasses and they don't know it. they take those glasses off when viewing the activities of any other company. Microsoft got the verdict they deserved in the antitrust trials. they were rightly found guilty. Microsoft hasn't repeated that behavior in any meaningful way since, that I can see, and I've been looking. I'm just not confusing normal capitalistic badness for historical Microsoft badness.

by ilc 3y ago

naikrovek 3y ago

ok so Microsoft choosing to license their VScode editor, that they created, however they choose, is "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish", now? explain

croes 3y ago
You mean their version of what Atom did before and that only VS Code is allowed to use the VS Code marketplace. And of course things like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31760684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31760684 Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  Key components of VS Code predated Atom by some years. VS Code started as the editor for the Azure Portal and was part of the Dev Tools in IE11 and Spartan Edge.
- naikrovek 3y ago
  what are they embracing?! they made this on their own. they're allowed to license it however they want.
ghuntley 3y ago
https://ghuntley.com/fracture https://ghuntley.com/fracture goes into this.
ilc 3y ago
Embrace, the community, take the air out of the room for competing products. Extend, make a product only THEY can, that is a ++ product. Extinguish, turn that community's work into a cloud product that they can not compete against, and that product will become dominant. No longer "Open Source". Honestly judging by most developers they are doing a good job. They don't need to kill the entire market, but merely cripple it badly. For me, it is pretty obvious what's going on.
- naikrovek 3y ago
  that's called "making a good product" and "a better product than your competitors". there no monopolistic manipulation, here. there are no deals with hardware makers to omit Sublime Text and pre-install VScode. there's no threat of refusing to sell Windows licenses or to increase their price if someone doesn't comply. nothing was embraced. nothing extended. they haven't forked Electron or used some open source component, forked it and added features so that the userbase has left the open version in exchange for Microsoft's extended version. this isn't EEE, this is basic product competition. I still maintain that since the 1990s, a LOT of people view Microsoft through evil-colored glasses and they don't know it. they take those glasses off when viewing the activities of any other company. Microsoft got the verdict they deserved in the antitrust trials. they were rightly found guilty. Microsoft hasn't repeated that behavior in any meaningful way since, that I can see, and I've been looking. I'm just not confusing normal capitalistic badness for historical Microsoft badness.