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iPhone users are using Manifest V3 _every single day_ in their Safari. There was never another option for them. Yet, noone cares, even on HN.

by izacus 3y ago

rebeccaskinner 3y ago
I care, and I've basically stopped using my iphone for anything because the web is an abysmal experience full of ads even with the maximum amount of ad blocking possible on iOS. I hate the iPhone and the only reason I haven't switched back to android is that it seems to manage to, somehow, still be even worse. We are well and truly on the other side of the enshitification event horizon on mobile, and it looks like Google is doing it's best to make sure the web keeps up on the desktop too.
- crimsontech 3y ago
  You could use Brave or Orion and get adblocking on iOS
  - WhyCause 3y ago
    Or Firefox Focus, which is what I use. It does a pretty good job.
  - rebeccaskinner 3y ago
    Until Apple allows other browser engines, everything is still limited to the same set of blockers you can get in safari. None of them are remotely good enough compared to ublock origin. My current phone probably has around 6-12 months of life left in it, and if Apple doesn’t have a solution by then I’m dropping the iPhone and either going with a de-Googled android build or giving up on smart phones altogether.
  - izacus 3y ago
    Those are all using the same browser engine with the same limitations that ManifestV3 is bringing to Chrome. You're using it.
- mod50ack 3y ago
  Android has F-Droid, including Fennec F-Droid (Firefox for Android), which is the only tolerable mobile browser, imo.
- manuelmoreale 3y ago
  Not trying to get you back on your iPhone but I can tell you that 1Blocker + NextDNS do wonders when it comes to blocking ads on the web using iphones. Granted, sometimes some sites do break for weird reasons but i'm happy to live with that if it means I get to avoid ads. Hell, it even manages to block ads on mobile youtube.
  - rebeccaskinner 3y ago
    My personal experience with ad blocking on iOS is that it’s both far less effective overall than ublock origin, and still manages to break a lot more sites. I have 0 tolerance for ads though- so even a 99% success rate on a site is unacceptable to me and I’ll just not use that site on my phone. Maybe 2/3rds of sites fail by that criteria for me. If ublock origin on my desktop computer also fails, then I don’t use the site at all- but that’s a vanishingly rate occurrence.
lapcat 3y ago
> iPhone users are using Manifest V3 _every single day_ in their Safari. There was never another option for them. This is false. Safari supports Manifest V2 and has no plans to deprecate it. I'd guess that you're confused because Safari lacks support for webRequest BlockingResponse: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API/webRequest/BlockingResponse https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web...
- izacus 3y ago
  Whatever it's called, it has all the downsides of Manifest V3 that are being criticized for Google. Just slapping another name on it doesn't make the issues go away.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > it has all the downsides of Manifest V3 This is not true either. There are many different aspects to Manifest V3, such as restrictions on script execution.

iPhone users are using Manifest V3 _every single day_ in their Safari. There was never another option for them. Yet, noone cares, even on HN.

by izacus 3y ago

iPhone users are using Manifest V3 _every single day_ in their Safari. There was never another option for them. Yet, noone cares, even on HN.

rebeccaskinner 3y ago

I care, and I've basically stopped using my iphone for anything because the web is an abysmal experience full of ads even with the maximum amount of ad blocking possible on iOS. I hate the iPhone and the only reason I haven't switched back to android is that it seems to manage to, somehow, still be even worse. We are well and truly on the other side of the enshitification event horizon on mobile, and it looks like Google is doing it's best to make sure the web keeps up on the desktop too.

crimsontech 3y ago
You could use Brave or Orion and get adblocking on iOS
- WhyCause 3y ago
  Or Firefox Focus, which is what I use. It does a pretty good job.
- rebeccaskinner 3y ago
  Until Apple allows other browser engines, everything is still limited to the same set of blockers you can get in safari. None of them are remotely good enough compared to ublock origin. My current phone probably has around 6-12 months of life left in it, and if Apple doesn’t have a solution by then I’m dropping the iPhone and either going with a de-Googled android build or giving up on smart phones altogether.
- izacus 3y ago
  Those are all using the same browser engine with the same limitations that ManifestV3 is bringing to Chrome. You're using it.
mod50ack 3y ago
Android has F-Droid, including Fennec F-Droid (Firefox for Android), which is the only tolerable mobile browser, imo.
manuelmoreale 3y ago
Not trying to get you back on your iPhone but I can tell you that 1Blocker + NextDNS do wonders when it comes to blocking ads on the web using iphones. Granted, sometimes some sites do break for weird reasons but i'm happy to live with that if it means I get to avoid ads. Hell, it even manages to block ads on mobile youtube.
- rebeccaskinner 3y ago
  My personal experience with ad blocking on iOS is that it’s both far less effective overall than ublock origin, and still manages to break a lot more sites. I have 0 tolerance for ads though- so even a 99% success rate on a site is unacceptable to me and I’ll just not use that site on my phone. Maybe 2/3rds of sites fail by that criteria for me. If ublock origin on my desktop computer also fails, then I don’t use the site at all- but that’s a vanishingly rate occurrence.

lapcat 3y ago

> iPhone users are using Manifest V3 _every single day_ in their Safari. There was never another option for them. This is false. Safari supports Manifest V2 and has no plans to deprecate it. I'd guess that you're confused because Safari lacks support for webRequest BlockingResponse: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API/webRequest/BlockingResponse https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web...

izacus 3y ago
Whatever it's called, it has all the downsides of Manifest V3 that are being criticized for Google. Just slapping another name on it doesn't make the issues go away.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > it has all the downsides of Manifest V3 This is not true either. There are many different aspects to Manifest V3, such as restrictions on script execution.