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> VS Code, for better or for worse, has evolved into something like an operating system Microsoft fully understands how valuable VS Code is and they are doing

• Zambyte 3y ago
  > I have yet to find another open source project that has the same community involvement as vscode Emacs. I mention this specifically because it's clear that VS Code is heavily inspired by Emacs in all the ways that you describe.
  • Barrin92 3y ago
    VsCode is basically Javascript-Emacs but people really react with something between bother and disgust to that comparison. The extensibility on top of a very generic core has even encouraged a lot of comparable extensions. Like Roam/Org clones that basically function like org-mode or bespoke git clients. VsCode is very quickly becoming a platform for software.
    • hollerith 3y ago
      That might be true, but I found it easy 30 years ago to learn how to modify Emacs, but spent 100s of hours trying to learn how to exert a similar level of control over VSCode, and never saw any significant signs I was getting close to my goal. Profession web developers might have a different experience.
      • bitwize 3y ago
        I agree with you that extending Visual Studio Code is a quite different experience, more akin to pulling teeth or writing COM controls in C++ in the 90s than to extending Emacs, which can be done live in your editing session as you work. But. Seventy-five percent of developers use Visual Studio Code, with most of the rest being vim, neovim, or JetBrains holdouts. All of the brainpower for extensions and tooling integration is going into Visual Studio Code, not Emacs. Soon, Emacs will simply be left behind.
        • sdesol 3y ago
          I'm definitely one of those vim holdouts, even though vscode vim support is pretty good. If vscode ever supports ctrl-z to jump into a full terminal and fg to jump back into editor mode, then I'll definitely convert.
          • orangea 3y ago
            VS Code certainly can be configured to have a keyboard shortcut to switch to a terminal and another shortcut to switch back and/or close the terminal. In fact probably every popular editor with a built-in terminal can do that.
        • nequo 3y ago
          Emacs doesn’t have to be the most popular editor in order to find contributors. It is under active development and I don’t see signs that it would be left behind anytime soon.
        • wiseowise 3y ago
          > Seventy-five percent of developers use Visual Studio Code 75% of what developers? Hobbyists? Students? Professionals? Because last one is the only relevant metric as all editors strive towards it.
          • bitwize 3y ago
            Professionals, from Stack Overflow's user surveys.
    • zelphirkalt 3y ago
      Superficially VSCode might share some similarities, but when you look at how Emacs works and how concepts differ, you very quickly will find, that VSCode is very far from being JS-Emacs. The whole focus of concepts is completely different. From buffers, to tabs, to keyboard focus, to plain text focus, to extensions/package and to inspectability.
    • pjmlp 3y ago
      From an XEmacs user during its glory days, where VSCode wins over plain old Emacs, is not only the JavaScript (more appealing to the masses than Elisp), it embraces graphics mode, and since the Browser is the new X Windows terminal, the experience feels much better. However due to Electron, I feel we need to update the Emacs jokes to something more akin to Electron.
• croes 3y ago
  And just like Google and Chrome this will end up bad.