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This line is what makes me roll my eyes whenever I hear someone say "Safari is the new IE". Safari missing a couple of features few websites use is far less of

This line is what makes me roll my eyes whenever I hear someone say "Safari is the new IE". Safari missing a couple of features few websites use is far less of an issue than the dominant browser company can just invent new "standards" that make the web actively worse for everyone. (Sorry, I should say "everyone except for the scummy advertisers".)

smaudet 3y ago
Safari is just Apples Opera (before they went Blink and made themselves irrelevant). They aren't great, just another proprietary browser. Every time I've used it has been sub-par. It reminded me a lot of Opera in that it was very opinionated, even if it tried to offer some feature. Apple makes money off of apps, not websites, though, so it makes sense they don't invest much into their browser.
- sanxiyn 3y ago
  Safari has the fastest JavaScript engine. In many respects, Safari's implementation is top notch. Apple makes money off phones and people use Safari a lot on phones. I don't understand why people think Apple don't invest on Safari.
  - troupo 3y ago
    Because people are in arms about Web Integrity API, but a lot of the same people will crucify Safari (and Firefox) for not implementing a bunch of Chrome-only non-standards (like the plethora of hardware APIs)
  - jeltz 3y ago
    And Opera had the fastest rendering engine. Still did not make it a good browser.
- xctr94 3y ago
  Subpar on what? That’s the important part. For my non-techie family, it seems to do everything they need WHILST saving a lot of battery life. If that’s the criteria, it’s a great browser. I’d never use it due to lack of uBlock Origin and good dev tools, but it’s hard to argue with the speed and battery efficiency on macOS.
izacus 3y ago
Safari is already having all the limitations of what Google is criticized for and some extra. It is the new IE in that respect.
Vinnl 3y ago
That line is not (primarily) about lack of features, but about its engine being the only option on iOS.
jsnell 3y ago
Would it surprise you to know that Safari on iOS and OS X already implements exactly this kind of attestation API? It does!

smaudet 3y ago

Safari is just Apples Opera (before they went Blink and made themselves irrelevant). They aren't great, just another proprietary browser. Every time I've used it has been sub-par. It reminded me a lot of Opera in that it was very opinionated, even if it tried to offer some feature. Apple makes money off of apps, not websites, though, so it makes sense they don't invest much into their browser.

sanxiyn 3y ago
Safari has the fastest JavaScript engine. In many respects, Safari's implementation is top notch. Apple makes money off phones and people use Safari a lot on phones. I don't understand why people think Apple don't invest on Safari.
- troupo 3y ago
  Because people are in arms about Web Integrity API, but a lot of the same people will crucify Safari (and Firefox) for not implementing a bunch of Chrome-only non-standards (like the plethora of hardware APIs)
- jeltz 3y ago
  And Opera had the fastest rendering engine. Still did not make it a good browser.
xctr94 3y ago
Subpar on what? That’s the important part. For my non-techie family, it seems to do everything they need WHILST saving a lot of battery life. If that’s the criteria, it’s a great browser. I’d never use it due to lack of uBlock Origin and good dev tools, but it’s hard to argue with the speed and battery efficiency on macOS.

izacus 3y ago

Safari is already having all the limitations of what Google is criticized for and some extra. It is the new IE in that respect.

Vinnl 3y ago

That line is not (primarily) about lack of features, but about its engine being the only option on iOS.

jsnell 3y ago

Would it surprise you to know that Safari on iOS and OS X already implements exactly this kind of attestation API? It does!