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Meta and Microsoft may have registered those trademarks but I haven't seen them using them, so they might struggle to actually defend them in court against some

Meta and Microsoft may have registered those trademarks but I haven't seen them using them, so they might struggle to actually defend them in court against someone who is very clearly actually using "X". Honestly Apple probably has the best shot, as they do use "X" prominently. Mac OS X, iPhone X, etc.

electricmonk 3y ago
IANYL. Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean there is a market (e.g., b2b) where they may be using them. Also, in this particular instance, since these are registered we can look at what they have provided the USPTO as evidence of use in order to renew the registrations. Microsoft (I think the X involved might actually be the X on the globe logo): https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docId=SPE20221228152814&linkId=3#docIndex=2&page=1 https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docI.... For Microsoft's use before assigning to Meta: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn87980831&docId=SPE20190508154150&linkId=12#docIndex=11&page=1 https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn87980831&docI.... For that second one, looks like MS sold some assets to Meta after is shut down its Mixer service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixer_(service) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixer_(service) Apple does use X a lot in product names, but (i) the use is never on its own, so the comparison of the marks is, e.g., X vs Mac OS X, and (ii) Apple generally uses X to denote "10" so that portion of the mark is arguably descriptive or generic as a version number (see https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/print?version=current&href=TMEP-1200d1e6980.html https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/print?version=current&href=...).
nba456_ 3y ago
MS has definitely been using it for Xbox and XCloud.
- CydeWeys 3y ago
  But those aren't "X", they're "Xbox" and "XCloud". It has to just be the "X". And yes there's an Xbox logo that's just an X, but it's stylized quite differently than Elon's dumb X, and it's a different thing (gaming).
kyriakos 3y ago
Isn't xbox logo an x?

electricmonk 3y ago

IANYL. Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean there is a market (e.g., b2b) where they may be using them. Also, in this particular instance, since these are registered we can look at what they have provided the USPTO as evidence of use in order to renew the registrations. Microsoft (I think the X involved might actually be the X on the globe logo): https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docId=SPE20221228152814&linkId=3#docIndex=2&page=1 https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docI.... For Microsoft's use before assigning to Meta: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn87980831&docId=SPE20190508154150&linkId=12#docIndex=11&page=1 https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn87980831&docI.... For that second one, looks like MS sold some assets to Meta after is shut down its Mixer service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixer_(service) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixer_(service) Apple does use X a lot in product names, but (i) the use is never on its own, so the comparison of the marks is, e.g., X vs Mac OS X, and (ii) Apple generally uses X to denote "10" so that portion of the mark is arguably descriptive or generic as a version number (see https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/print?version=current&href=TMEP-1200d1e6980.html https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/print?version=current&href=...).

nba456_ 3y ago

MS has definitely been using it for Xbox and XCloud.

CydeWeys 3y ago
But those aren't "X", they're "Xbox" and "XCloud". It has to just be the "X". And yes there's an Xbox logo that's just an X, but it's stylized quite differently than Elon's dumb X, and it's a different thing (gaming).

kyriakos 3y ago

Isn't xbox logo an x?