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The proposal author (who locked the issue[0] on Github) also commented on HN and has, so far, remained silent here too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=368

The proposal author (who locked the issue[0] on Github) also commented on HN and has, so far, remained silent here too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36825097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36825097 [0] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/28#issuecomment-1646083436 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...

voramok 3y ago
As far as I am concerned the reputation of this Ben Wiser guy is so far down the toilet that there’s practically nothing he can do or say to recover it. Like the old joke goes “you screw a goat once…”
- urda 3y ago
  Both RupertBenWiser and yoavweiss reputations are fully gone from this. Pretty much the moment they closed an issue without a single comment [1], locked the repo from everyone else, and then a much later time claiming it was "spam" is a pretty dirty tactic [2]. [1] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/112 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [2] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/131#issuecomment-1647892692 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...
  - troupo 3y ago
    Of course nothing happened to their reputations. Unfortunately there are very few people who care about this, or now who the people are in these proposals. A reminder: the tech lead for AMP who promptly closed all discussions critical of AMP and AMP for email, and banned people who raised the questions repeatedly is now the CTO of Vercel.
    - SauciestGNU 3y ago
      That explains the bad vibes I get from vercel.
  - nvm0n1 3y ago
    Lol yep sure, almost every website out there uses Recaptcha, Cloudflare and similar services, but they all totally hate the guys who work on stuff like that. The bubblethink here is out of control. A clear majority of website operators would love this tech to exist because the pile of hacks and user-hostile verification systems that currently keep bots and fraud at bay are time limited, and always have been.
  - msm_ 3y ago
    I mean, is the yoavweiss in the wrong here? The #112 issue does look like spam (pretending to care about diversity in hope of making problems for the maintainer, because diversity issues are taken very seriously at Google). Don't get me wrong, I hate this proposal too and I hope it gets dismantled and forgotten. But I would probably do the same, as an owner of a controversial repository that somehow got to the top of HN frontpage.
urda 3y ago
They have also violated an important Code of Conduct [1], to the point of even aggressively closing valid complaints [2]. The Googlers RupertBenWiser [3] and yoavweiss [4] are really just toeing the Google line. What's super gross is even yoavweiss tried to play pretend that the original issue they forced closed, without comments or reading, was "spam" [5]. I believe both of these users are acting in very-bad-faith, and not correctly observing any ethical codes of conduct in Engineering. It's super telling they know by how they are acting, by locking down the GitHub repo. It's very depressing how far both Google and Googlers have fallen. What was once a home to innovation, growth, and technical creation is now just ads, abusing their market position to give Chrome an insane advantage during the later years of the browser wars, and more of the same. It's probably time to bring anti-trust action against Google. Also if you're not already, please move to Firefox and stop using Chrome. Mozilla stands against this and these engineers pushing it [6]. [1] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/131 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [2] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/112 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [3] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser https://github.com/RupertBenWiser [4] https://github.com/yoavweiss https://github.com/yoavweiss [5] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/131#issuecomment-1647892692 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [6] https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1648820747 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#is...
- xvector 3y ago
  Do not dox individuals. You do not understand their situations, pressures, etc.
  - EvanAnderson 3y ago
    Unless the parent comment was edited to remove some details your bar on “doxxing” somebody is pretty low. Linking to somebody’s public GitHub profile isn’t revealing any private information. Both participated in the discourse on GitHub— it’s not like finding their profiles would be difficult.
  - 3y ago

voramok 3y ago

As far as I am concerned the reputation of this Ben Wiser guy is so far down the toilet that there’s practically nothing he can do or say to recover it. Like the old joke goes “you screw a goat once…”

urda 3y ago
Both RupertBenWiser and yoavweiss reputations are fully gone from this. Pretty much the moment they closed an issue without a single comment [1], locked the repo from everyone else, and then a much later time claiming it was "spam" is a pretty dirty tactic [2]. [1] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/112 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [2] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/131#issuecomment-1647892692 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/...
- troupo 3y ago
  Of course nothing happened to their reputations. Unfortunately there are very few people who care about this, or now who the people are in these proposals. A reminder: the tech lead for AMP who promptly closed all discussions critical of AMP and AMP for email, and banned people who raised the questions repeatedly is now the CTO of Vercel.
  - SauciestGNU 3y ago
    That explains the bad vibes I get from vercel.
- nvm0n1 3y ago
  Lol yep sure, almost every website out there uses Recaptcha, Cloudflare and similar services, but they all totally hate the guys who work on stuff like that. The bubblethink here is out of control. A clear majority of website operators would love this tech to exist because the pile of hacks and user-hostile verification systems that currently keep bots and fraud at bay are time limited, and always have been.
- msm_ 3y ago
  I mean, is the yoavweiss in the wrong here? The #112 issue does look like spam (pretending to care about diversity in hope of making problems for the maintainer, because diversity issues are taken very seriously at Google). Don't get me wrong, I hate this proposal too and I hope it gets dismantled and forgotten. But I would probably do the same, as an owner of a controversial repository that somehow got to the top of HN frontpage.

urda 3y ago

They have also violated an important Code of Conduct [1], to the point of even aggressively closing valid complaints [2]. The Googlers RupertBenWiser [3] and yoavweiss [4] are really just toeing the Google line. What's super gross is even yoavweiss tried to play pretend that the original issue they forced closed, without comments or reading, was "spam" [5]. I believe both of these users are acting in very-bad-faith, and not correctly observing any ethical codes of conduct in Engineering. It's super telling they know by how they are acting, by locking down the GitHub repo. It's very depressing how far both Google and Googlers have fallen. What was once a home to innovation, growth, and technical creation is now just ads, abusing their market position to give Chrome an insane advantage during the later years of the browser wars, and more of the same. It's probably time to bring anti-trust action against Google. Also if you're not already, please move to Firefox and stop using Chrome. Mozilla stands against this and these engineers pushing it [6]. [1] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/131 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [2] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/112 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [3] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser https://github.com/RupertBenWiser [4] https://github.com/yoavweiss https://github.com/yoavweiss [5] https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/131#issuecomment-1647892692 https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... [6] https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1648820747 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#is...

xvector 3y ago
Do not dox individuals. You do not understand their situations, pressures, etc.
- EvanAnderson 3y ago
  Unless the parent comment was edited to remove some details your bar on “doxxing” somebody is pretty low. Linking to somebody’s public GitHub profile isn’t revealing any private information. Both participated in the discourse on GitHub— it’s not like finding their profiles would be difficult.
- 3y ago