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Which criteria of the level 3 does FSD fail? I don’t understand since it seems perfectly capable of driving by itself under many, many circumstances, many towns

by valval 3y ago

Which criteria of the level 3 does FSD fail? I don’t understand since it seems perfectly capable of driving by itself under many, many circumstances, many towns being among those. I just looked at the graphic behind your link, and FSD fulfills all of the requirements, and frankly basic autopilot does as well. Many automakers offer level 3 currently, Tesla of course having been first, but you’re right in saying that none offer level 4. To me, the distinction between level 4 and level 5 seems abysmally stupid as well - how could you leave out the pedals and steering wheel if the car can’t operate by itself under all conditions, meaning level 4 = level 5. Maybe I just don’t have the IQ to understand what the industry academics and practitioners are conveying here.

kube-system 3y ago
Tesla does not offer a level 3 system. When using Tesla FSD, the driver is still responsible for supervising the operation of the system at all times and must intervene when and if the system makes an incorrect input. See the second row in the above-linked graphic. Also see Tesla's site (buried in the support pages, rather than the marketing copy): > FSD Beta is an SAE Level 2 driver support feature that can provide steering and braking/acceleration support to the driver under certain operating limitations. With FSD Beta, as with all SAE Level 2 driver support features, the driver is responsible for operation of the vehicle whenever the feature is engaged and must constantly supervise the feature and intervene (e.g., steer, brake or accelerate) as needed to maintain safe operation of the vehicle. https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-fsd-beta-driving-operations https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-fsd-beta-driving-operat... > how could you leave out the pedals and steering wheel if the car can’t operate by itself under all conditions, meaning level 4 = level 5. The graphic gives an example of how this can be offered: local driverless taxi. Waymo's Firefly is an example of this. It had no steering wheel or pedals. It would only operate when, where, and under the conditions where it was capable of doing so.

by valval 3y ago

kube-system 3y ago

Tesla does not offer a level 3 system. When using Tesla FSD, the driver is still responsible for supervising the operation of the system at all times and must intervene when and if the system makes an incorrect input. See the second row in the above-linked graphic. Also see Tesla's site (buried in the support pages, rather than the marketing copy): > FSD Beta is an SAE Level 2 driver support feature that can provide steering and braking/acceleration support to the driver under certain operating limitations. With FSD Beta, as with all SAE Level 2 driver support features, the driver is responsible for operation of the vehicle whenever the feature is engaged and must constantly supervise the feature and intervene (e.g., steer, brake or accelerate) as needed to maintain safe operation of the vehicle. https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-fsd-beta-driving-operations https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-fsd-beta-driving-operat... > how could you leave out the pedals and steering wheel if the car can’t operate by itself under all conditions, meaning level 4 = level 5. The graphic gives an example of how this can be offered: local driverless taxi. Waymo's Firefly is an example of this. It had no steering wheel or pedals. It would only operate when, where, and under the conditions where it was capable of doing so.