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More FUD, I'm starting to believe you're a hired PR pro. Here is what the DOE experts think about scaling up battery recycling with a cool 2 billions dollars:

by guerby 3y ago

More FUD, I'm starting to believe you're a hired PR pro. Here is what the DOE experts think about scaling up battery recycling with a cool 2 billions dollars: https://www.energy.gov/lpo/articles/lpo-offers-conditional-commitment-redwood-materials-produce-critical-electric-vehicle https://www.energy.gov/lpo/articles/lpo-offers-conditional-c... "Redwood Materials will use both new and recycled feedstocks—comprised of critical materials like lithium, nickel, and cobalt—to produce approximately 36,000 metric tons per year of ultra-thin battery-grade copper foil for use as the anode current collector, and approximately 100,000 metric tons per year of cathode active materials" "At full production capacity, the project’s anode copper foil and cathode active material output is anticipated to support the production of more than 1 million EVs per year," And this is only for one plant... I'll believe any time DOE experts to judge wether an existing proven process is scalable or not over a continously FUD spreading forum poster. And for your information lead-acid batteries are not all the same, see various electrolytes in AGM (fibers...), Gel, ...

_hypx 3y ago
Since when did we trust the government to give a correct answer on a complex technical subject? The person is just repeating what he was told. There's no evidence anything of significance being recycled. All of this is projections of future recycling achievements. Like I said, it's the same story as plastic recycling. No one should believe any of the claims made. AGM and gel lead-acid batteries are recycled in a separate pathway compared to flooded lead-acid batteries. This is okay because there aren't that many variations and the chemistry is basically the same. Li-ion batteries on the other are effectively hundreds of different chemistries spread across many different packaging methods. It is a complexity nightmare and no one has given any answer as to how it will all be solved.
- guerby 3y ago
  DOE has a good track record, better than a random forum "poster". Evidence about recycling taking place has been given multiple times, you just choose to ignore it. Ah then there's different lead acid battery recycling methods, you said the contrary in the post above ... And since you obviously didn't read or learn anything about lithium battery recycling you make a fool of yourself.
  - _hypx 3y ago
    DOE has no “track record.” It just funds things based on government policy. Again, no evidence that this recycling is happening at scale. And given the enormous complexity of the problem, something no one has even bothered analyzing, it seems unlikely to be solvable anytime soon. At this point, I can just proclaim that plastic recycling is 95% effective with the same amount of evidence. You’d have no choice but to believe me on this since you already believe the same thing about li-ion batteries.

by guerby 3y ago

_hypx 3y ago

Since when did we trust the government to give a correct answer on a complex technical subject? The person is just repeating what he was told. There's no evidence anything of significance being recycled. All of this is projections of future recycling achievements. Like I said, it's the same story as plastic recycling. No one should believe any of the claims made. AGM and gel lead-acid batteries are recycled in a separate pathway compared to flooded lead-acid batteries. This is okay because there aren't that many variations and the chemistry is basically the same. Li-ion batteries on the other are effectively hundreds of different chemistries spread across many different packaging methods. It is a complexity nightmare and no one has given any answer as to how it will all be solved.

guerby 3y ago
DOE has a good track record, better than a random forum "poster". Evidence about recycling taking place has been given multiple times, you just choose to ignore it. Ah then there's different lead acid battery recycling methods, you said the contrary in the post above ... And since you obviously didn't read or learn anything about lithium battery recycling you make a fool of yourself.
- _hypx 3y ago
  DOE has no “track record.” It just funds things based on government policy. Again, no evidence that this recycling is happening at scale. And given the enormous complexity of the problem, something no one has even bothered analyzing, it seems unlikely to be solvable anytime soon. At this point, I can just proclaim that plastic recycling is 95% effective with the same amount of evidence. You’d have no choice but to believe me on this since you already believe the same thing about li-ion batteries.