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Slavery wasn't abolished by changing people's minds via rational debate. Did you forget we had to literally send people with guns to shoot and kill the people t

by nmilo 3y ago

Slavery wasn't abolished by changing people's minds via rational debate. Did you forget we had to literally send people with guns to shoot and kill the people that held that belief. They only changed their beliefs after decades under new laws and culture. The research is out on changing people's beliefs, for most it usually causes them to dig their heels in and hate the other side even more. If you encounter a racist person or a Nazi in real life, you will not change their beliefs with rational debate, so don't even try. Just avoid them because they are unpleasant people. You will be happier if you stop fighting this futile moral crusade.

executesorder66 3y ago
> Slavery wasn't abolished by changing people's minds via rational debate. I didn't say it had to be done via rational debate. > They only changed their beliefs after decades under new laws and culture. So they did do it after all. > The research is out on changing people's beliefs, for most it usually causes them to dig their heels in and hate the other side even more. If you encounter a racist person or a Nazi in real life, you will not change their beliefs with rational debate, so don't even try. Just avoid them because they are unpleasant people. You will be happier if you stop fighting this futile moral crusade. Look at you trying to change my beliefs via rational debate. What a hypocrite.
- nmilo 3y ago
  > Look at you trying to change my beliefs via rational debate. What a hypocrite. LOL this is only proving my point. You're digging your heels and getting angrier without changing. You're right, I'm wasting my time.
  - executesorder66 3y ago
    My point is that you can, and should, try to change people's minds about stupid beliefs. And I gave examples of that. Your point is that it is impossible to change peoples minds. If that is what you believe then why were you trying to change someone's mind? If I accept your belief, then that goes back to my earlier question: why should anyone have bothered to change peoples minds about slavery or racism? Why not leave it as it was?

by nmilo 3y ago

executesorder66 3y ago

> Slavery wasn't abolished by changing people's minds via rational debate. I didn't say it had to be done via rational debate. > They only changed their beliefs after decades under new laws and culture. So they did do it after all. > The research is out on changing people's beliefs, for most it usually causes them to dig their heels in and hate the other side even more. If you encounter a racist person or a Nazi in real life, you will not change their beliefs with rational debate, so don't even try. Just avoid them because they are unpleasant people. You will be happier if you stop fighting this futile moral crusade. Look at you trying to change my beliefs via rational debate. What a hypocrite.

nmilo 3y ago
> Look at you trying to change my beliefs via rational debate. What a hypocrite. LOL this is only proving my point. You're digging your heels and getting angrier without changing. You're right, I'm wasting my time.
- executesorder66 3y ago
  My point is that you can, and should, try to change people's minds about stupid beliefs. And I gave examples of that. Your point is that it is impossible to change peoples minds. If that is what you believe then why were you trying to change someone's mind? If I accept your belief, then that goes back to my earlier question: why should anyone have bothered to change peoples minds about slavery or racism? Why not leave it as it was?