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This still sounds extreme and maladaptive to me. > The internet today feels like a giant cesspool in which everyone is trying to get ahead by manipulating each

This still sounds extreme and maladaptive to me. > The internet today feels like a giant cesspool in which everyone is trying to get ahead by manipulating each other. Many of us do all we can to keep out of it, for instance by never seeing an ad and certainly by never clicking on one. I didn’t know that installing an ad blocker or vpn client was so anarchist. Or required that much time and energy. (It’s a bit weird that you have this viewpoint when most of your HN submissions point to your personal blog and involve self-promotion. Even some of your comments involve self-promotion. ((I only looked at the first page of your comment history and saw this is something that you do.))) > The last thing I want is to have to manually go and hide / downvote someone who's taking advantage of a community's goodwill for person benefit. More extremity. Is this really the last thing you want to do? This reminds me of The Jetsons episode where Jane got “push button syndrome” because she was tired of pushing buttons and not doing any real work. > If there was a distributed way to punish advertisers and waitlist-spammers, a 'boycott this product to punish them for their transgressions against the community' tool, I'd be first in line. You’re not even sugarcoating your extreme views here lol. Why do you have such strong opinions on this when by your own admission you don’t even see ads anymore and you certainly don’t visit sites with waiting lists? Is your current web browsing experience still not to your liking? What do you want to change about your browsing experience that you haven’t already changed? You haven’t explained this.

ajkjk 3y ago
Bit of a weird response. And assuming a lot of things without checking them or, I guess, caring if they're reasonable? Of course I have an ad-blocker. "The last thing" is a figure of speech, as you know. And yes, the web is an increasingly miserable place because of all the psychological manipulation, and yes, I would absolutely love to find some organized way to boycott those who make it worse instead of better. I haven't found a way to effect change on my own, but I still believe it would be a good thing, although it's not my highest priority. I don't think these views are particularly extreme. They might be rare but I believe that's because most people haven't thought of them. I do see some ads -- especially when searching for anything, or using any social media site --, and I do visit sites with waiting lists occasionally (why do you think I don't?). Nevertheless I'd much prefer a world where organizations benefitted less from manipulation, so there would be less of it. But how do you get a powerful group to give away power? You organize against them. Hence, I would like to be part of that if it existed.
- bluepod4 3y ago
  It sounds like all you’ve done is install an ad blocker and complain. Why do you hold such extreme (or rare) views when you aren’t even proactively doing anything to fix your problems? It seems like virtual signaling.
  - bluepod4 3y ago
    *virtue, as you know
  - ajkjk 3y ago
    Well, again, they're not very extreme. And they're just opinions I have, not exactly immediate calls to action. More of a guiding philosophy? But who knows, maybe I'll find it in myself to start a real campaign soon. I mention them almost to explicitly virtue signal. I don't want to see a waitlist, and I like the norm of no-waitlists which is being enforced in this comment section... and I'd love readers and lurkers of the comment section to consider my somewhat-harsher philosophy as a valid one. Hence leaving a comment.. In a way it's a little micro-action of saying "hey world this philosophy is good you should share it" that hopes to have some small contribution to the plate tectonics of ideology-space. ...I dunno.

ajkjk 3y ago

Bit of a weird response. And assuming a lot of things without checking them or, I guess, caring if they're reasonable? Of course I have an ad-blocker. "The last thing" is a figure of speech, as you know. And yes, the web is an increasingly miserable place because of all the psychological manipulation, and yes, I would absolutely love to find some organized way to boycott those who make it worse instead of better. I haven't found a way to effect change on my own, but I still believe it would be a good thing, although it's not my highest priority. I don't think these views are particularly extreme. They might be rare but I believe that's because most people haven't thought of them. I do see some ads -- especially when searching for anything, or using any social media site --, and I do visit sites with waiting lists occasionally (why do you think I don't?). Nevertheless I'd much prefer a world where organizations benefitted less from manipulation, so there would be less of it. But how do you get a powerful group to give away power? You organize against them. Hence, I would like to be part of that if it existed.

bluepod4 3y ago
It sounds like all you’ve done is install an ad blocker and complain. Why do you hold such extreme (or rare) views when you aren’t even proactively doing anything to fix your problems? It seems like virtual signaling.
- bluepod4 3y ago
  *virtue, as you know
- ajkjk 3y ago
  Well, again, they're not very extreme. And they're just opinions I have, not exactly immediate calls to action. More of a guiding philosophy? But who knows, maybe I'll find it in myself to start a real campaign soon. I mention them almost to explicitly virtue signal. I don't want to see a waitlist, and I like the norm of no-waitlists which is being enforced in this comment section... and I'd love readers and lurkers of the comment section to consider my somewhat-harsher philosophy as a valid one. Hence leaving a comment.. In a way it's a little micro-action of saying "hey world this philosophy is good you should share it" that hopes to have some small contribution to the plate tectonics of ideology-space. ...I dunno.