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This is a great take. Also, is it really so bad? It's fun. All the adults are clucking their tongues at him but presumably they'd be fine with him being a qu

This is a great take. Also, is it really so bad? It's fun. All the adults are clucking their tongues at him but presumably they'd be fine with him being a quiet entry in the Panama Papers and the Epstein flight logs with the other billionaires.

reaperducer 3y ago
is it really so bad? It's fun. It would be "fun" if it only affected him. But there are real people who get caught in the blast radius of his "fun."
- exodust 3y ago
  "Blast radius"? Bit dramatic. Where's the trauma normally associated with blast zones? I don't see it. Who are these "real people" you talk of? I find it interesting in this age of diversity and acceptance of differences, that a "Musk character" can't exist without a constant deluge of backlash, ridicule and grumpiness!
  - reaperducer 3y ago
    Who are these "real people" you talk of? Seriously? OK, I'll give you an easy one: Google "Twitter layoffs."
    - ethbr0 3y ago
      HN consensus for years was that Twitter spent an insane amount on salary for the product they had.
      - reaperducer 3y ago
        HN consensus for years was that Twitter spent an insane amount on salary for the product they had. That doesn't mean that people's lives weren't upended. You're arguing a completely different point.
        woooooo 3y ago
        90% of the noise about Musk and Twitter has zero compassion for software engineers. We're "techbros". If Musk were doing all of the same things, and much worse, without the culture war stuff attached we would never hear his name. "I take full responsibility for this difficult decision..."
        ethbr0 3y ago
        If someone gets fired from an unnecessary job, that's corporate efficiency not malice. No one has a right to have a particular job, if it's no longer deemed necessary. One might be lucky enough to have such a job. But if it goes *poof* overnight then the appropriate take should probably be "It was nice while it lasted." PS: And we can lament the gutting of their moderation team, but that comprised a small proportion of the total headcount cut.
        exodust 3y ago
        > lives weren't upended Musk paid billions too much for Twitter. So at least a few of those real people you're worried about, are now very rich. Companies have layoffs. Are you saying the thousands of layoffs at Meta, or any other tech businesses in recent times, are "good layoffs", but Twitter layoffs were "bad layoffs"? I don't understand your position here. You seem to have an emotional response about the welfare of tech sector people you don't know. If you have Twitter on your resume, I'd expect it would open a few doors when job hunting. Your concern for their welfare is odd to say the least.
    - maxlin 3y ago
      Twitter would have fallen had it maintained such a financial burden in salaries, which were also seemingly waste in many places given the enormous 80% percentage after which the company didn't fall. Would you have preferred every employee, including the most loyal and hard-working, to lose their jobs too?
    - vGPU 3y ago
      The vast majority of twitter staff should have been laid off years ago, and would have been getting laid off now as the US continues to experience credit tightening. Musk just did it faster.
cornercasechase 3y ago
> Epstein flight logs with the other billionaires. Musk has multiple Epstein connections including having gone to his house, he’s exactly like the other billionaires.
- woooooo 3y ago
  Thanks. Somehow I never heard about that once, everyone's more concerned about the blue checks or whatever.
- tacitusarc 3y ago
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  - cornercasechase 3y ago
    Why would you be incredulous? Musk himself has been accused of sexual assault. He’s literally being subpoenaed in the case against Epstein. He’s been to parties with Epstein and Maxwell and he went to his mansion after he was convicted of raping a minor (a fact mentioned in the very link you posted): https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2023/05/16/elon-musk-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-tesla-ties-declined-island-invite/70222944007/ https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2023/05/16/elon-musk-je...
    - tacitusarc 3y ago
      From the snopes article: "Several years ago, I was at his house in Manhattan for about 30 minutes in the middle of the afternoon with Talulah, as she was curious about meeting this strange person for a novel she was writing," Musk said. "We did not see anything inappropriate at all, apart from weird art. He tried repeatedly to get me to visit his island. I declined."
KerrAvon 3y ago
That's a strawman. Nobody's upset about the rockets(1), flamethrowers, electric cars, fake robots in pantyhose. The Twitter thing, though, isn't fun: it's tipping the scales for Erdogan, it's kowtowing to the Chinese government preemptively, elevating literal neo-nazis to prominence, personally promoting anti-semitism. And that's just some of the damage. And the people in my world who are upset about Twitter do not give anyone a pass on the Epstein flight logs and Panama Papers. [1] mostly. there is the matter of the habitat destruction because SpaceX failed to listen to experts. edit: formatting
- chasd00 3y ago
  > The Twitter thing, though, isn't fun: it's tipping the scales for Erdogan, it's kowtowing to the Chinese government preemptively, elevating literal neo-nazis to prominence, personally promoting anti-semitism. And that's just some of the damage. the fact that one single app has that much influence means it ought to be destroyed. I was hoping Musk would walk into Twitter, pull the plug, and go home. Now I hope, maybe, he'll just grind it to dust.
- woooooo 3y ago
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  - rollseyes 3y ago
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- vGPU 3y ago
  I am certain I can find at least one angry blogger for every single post you’ve listed. I can remember at least a dozen angry articles over the flamethrower alone. Regarding your complaints about twitter: > In response to a 2017 request from the Pentagon, Twitter kept online a network of accounts that the U.S. military used to advance its interests in the Middle East It’s not so much fun when it’s directed against you, is it?

reaperducer 3y ago

is it really so bad? It's fun. It would be "fun" if it only affected him. But there are real people who get caught in the blast radius of his "fun."

exodust 3y ago
"Blast radius"? Bit dramatic. Where's the trauma normally associated with blast zones? I don't see it. Who are these "real people" you talk of? I find it interesting in this age of diversity and acceptance of differences, that a "Musk character" can't exist without a constant deluge of backlash, ridicule and grumpiness!
- reaperducer 3y ago
  Who are these "real people" you talk of? Seriously? OK, I'll give you an easy one: Google "Twitter layoffs."
  - ethbr0 3y ago
    HN consensus for years was that Twitter spent an insane amount on salary for the product they had.
    - reaperducer 3y ago
      HN consensus for years was that Twitter spent an insane amount on salary for the product they had. That doesn't mean that people's lives weren't upended. You're arguing a completely different point.
      - woooooo 3y ago
        90% of the noise about Musk and Twitter has zero compassion for software engineers. We're "techbros". If Musk were doing all of the same things, and much worse, without the culture war stuff attached we would never hear his name. "I take full responsibility for this difficult decision..."
      - ethbr0 3y ago
        If someone gets fired from an unnecessary job, that's corporate efficiency not malice. No one has a right to have a particular job, if it's no longer deemed necessary. One might be lucky enough to have such a job. But if it goes *poof* overnight then the appropriate take should probably be "It was nice while it lasted." PS: And we can lament the gutting of their moderation team, but that comprised a small proportion of the total headcount cut.
      - exodust 3y ago
        > lives weren't upended Musk paid billions too much for Twitter. So at least a few of those real people you're worried about, are now very rich. Companies have layoffs. Are you saying the thousands of layoffs at Meta, or any other tech businesses in recent times, are "good layoffs", but Twitter layoffs were "bad layoffs"? I don't understand your position here. You seem to have an emotional response about the welfare of tech sector people you don't know. If you have Twitter on your resume, I'd expect it would open a few doors when job hunting. Your concern for their welfare is odd to say the least.
  - maxlin 3y ago
    Twitter would have fallen had it maintained such a financial burden in salaries, which were also seemingly waste in many places given the enormous 80% percentage after which the company didn't fall. Would you have preferred every employee, including the most loyal and hard-working, to lose their jobs too?
  - vGPU 3y ago
    The vast majority of twitter staff should have been laid off years ago, and would have been getting laid off now as the US continues to experience credit tightening. Musk just did it faster.

cornercasechase 3y ago

> Epstein flight logs with the other billionaires. Musk has multiple Epstein connections including having gone to his house, he’s exactly like the other billionaires.

woooooo 3y ago
Thanks. Somehow I never heard about that once, everyone's more concerned about the blue checks or whatever.
tacitusarc 3y ago
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- cornercasechase 3y ago
  Why would you be incredulous? Musk himself has been accused of sexual assault. He’s literally being subpoenaed in the case against Epstein. He’s been to parties with Epstein and Maxwell and he went to his mansion after he was convicted of raping a minor (a fact mentioned in the very link you posted): https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2023/05/16/elon-musk-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-tesla-ties-declined-island-invite/70222944007/ https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2023/05/16/elon-musk-je...
  - tacitusarc 3y ago
    From the snopes article: "Several years ago, I was at his house in Manhattan for about 30 minutes in the middle of the afternoon with Talulah, as she was curious about meeting this strange person for a novel she was writing," Musk said. "We did not see anything inappropriate at all, apart from weird art. He tried repeatedly to get me to visit his island. I declined."

KerrAvon 3y ago

That's a strawman. Nobody's upset about the rockets(1), flamethrowers, electric cars, fake robots in pantyhose. The Twitter thing, though, isn't fun: it's tipping the scales for Erdogan, it's kowtowing to the Chinese government preemptively, elevating literal neo-nazis to prominence, personally promoting anti-semitism. And that's just some of the damage. And the people in my world who are upset about Twitter do not give anyone a pass on the Epstein flight logs and Panama Papers. [1] mostly. there is the matter of the habitat destruction because SpaceX failed to listen to experts. edit: formatting

chasd00 3y ago
> The Twitter thing, though, isn't fun: it's tipping the scales for Erdogan, it's kowtowing to the Chinese government preemptively, elevating literal neo-nazis to prominence, personally promoting anti-semitism. And that's just some of the damage. the fact that one single app has that much influence means it ought to be destroyed. I was hoping Musk would walk into Twitter, pull the plug, and go home. Now I hope, maybe, he'll just grind it to dust.
woooooo 3y ago
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- rollseyes 3y ago
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vGPU 3y ago
I am certain I can find at least one angry blogger for every single post you’ve listed. I can remember at least a dozen angry articles over the flamethrower alone. Regarding your complaints about twitter: > In response to a 2017 request from the Pentagon, Twitter kept online a network of accounts that the U.S. military used to advance its interests in the Middle East It’s not so much fun when it’s directed against you, is it?