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Acknowledging these LLMs are not human, but isn’t this kinda what humans do? Take in lots of different examples and produce something similar but distinctly dif

Acknowledging these LLMs are not human, but isn’t this kinda what humans do? Take in lots of different examples and produce something similar but distinctly different and not paying royalties or being considered plagiarism.

throw__away7391 3y ago
Yeah, I mean we have this term “inspiration” already for some time. I’ve long thought that when a person hits a dead end creatively what they need is to to go out and have more experiences and be exposed to new things.
justinclift 3y ago
Perhaps it's the "being human" piece that's important for determining whether royalties can be skipped or not?
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
I mean, yes, kinda, but the sheer scale of what AI can do vastly, vastly changes the impact on society. To give another "scale makes all the difference" analogy. Very early on when Google Maps Street View was originally released, there was debate about whether it was OK to show individuals faces. In the US at least, the argument went something like "People are out in public, they should have no expectation of privacy. If it's legal for a person to take a picture of someone else on the street (which it is in the US), why should Street View have any privacy concerns?" The difference is that while I may expect that other people may see and even take a picture of me if I'm outside, that's different from making my picture searchable, geolocated, instantly available to billions of people across the world and online forever. And I think it's totally rational to think these 2 different situations require different approaches. Lots of our previously common, intuitive notions of what is OK can change greatly when large scale automation enters the mix.
adamesque 3y ago
Humans also typically pay up-front for the content that inspires them and assimilate it over the long course of their natural lives, and are constrained in overall output. Mechanizing that process so that it can be wielded at scale and automated is a pretty significant "change to the contract", and worth exploring what compensation is fair under these new circumstances.
jprete 3y ago
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. I think most people want credit for the original ideas and effort they put in, even for something like fanfiction. And fanfic is already legally very gray! Street artists in NYC selling copies of copyrighted work aren’t there to be creative, of course. But they’re also definitely breaking copyright law.

throw__away7391 3y ago

Yeah, I mean we have this term “inspiration” already for some time. I’ve long thought that when a person hits a dead end creatively what they need is to to go out and have more experiences and be exposed to new things.

justinclift 3y ago

Perhaps it's the "being human" piece that's important for determining whether royalties can be skipped or not?

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

I mean, yes, kinda, but the sheer scale of what AI can do vastly, vastly changes the impact on society. To give another "scale makes all the difference" analogy. Very early on when Google Maps Street View was originally released, there was debate about whether it was OK to show individuals faces. In the US at least, the argument went something like "People are out in public, they should have no expectation of privacy. If it's legal for a person to take a picture of someone else on the street (which it is in the US), why should Street View have any privacy concerns?" The difference is that while I may expect that other people may see and even take a picture of me if I'm outside, that's different from making my picture searchable, geolocated, instantly available to billions of people across the world and online forever. And I think it's totally rational to think these 2 different situations require different approaches. Lots of our previously common, intuitive notions of what is OK can change greatly when large scale automation enters the mix.

adamesque 3y ago

Humans also typically pay up-front for the content that inspires them and assimilate it over the long course of their natural lives, and are constrained in overall output. Mechanizing that process so that it can be wielded at scale and automated is a pretty significant "change to the contract", and worth exploring what compensation is fair under these new circumstances.

jprete 3y ago

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. I think most people want credit for the original ideas and effort they put in, even for something like fanfiction. And fanfic is already legally very gray! Street artists in NYC selling copies of copyrighted work aren’t there to be creative, of course. But they’re also definitely breaking copyright law.