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> In my view, consciousness is the only thing that can not be an illusion. If it's an illusion, who is being fooled? Consciousness isn't the illusion, it's the
by naasking 3y ago
> In my view, consciousness is the only thing that can not be an illusion. If it's an illusion, who is being fooled? Consciousness isn't the illusion, it's the audience.
I don't why people keep being taken by this silly argument. You've merely assumed that "illusion" requires a subject. Here's a definition of illusion that doesn't require a subject: a perception that entails a false conclusion if taken at face value. There, now "consciousness is an illusion" is simply, "consciousness is a perception from which we falsely infer the existence of subjective qualities".
- goatlover 3y agoSubjective qualities like color and pain? What about dreams and imagination? Illusions are misleading conscious experiences, usually perceptual. That's why it doesn't make much sense to say consciousness is itself an illusion.
- naasking 3y ago> Subjective qualities like color and pain? Colour is perceived. The "what is it like" to see colour is the qualitative illusion. Ditto for pain. > What about dreams and imagination? What about them? Does Midjourney plausibly imagine the scenes it generates? > Illusions are misleading conscious experiences, usually perceptual Illusions are misleading perceptions. There's no reason to throw "conscious" in there at all, it just muddies an otherwise simple concept.