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Isn't the entire point of Israel to remain a Jewish ethnostate? I'm not sure, but something happened a few decades ago that really soured them on the idea of no

Isn't the entire point of Israel to remain a Jewish ethnostate? I'm not sure, but something happened a few decades ago that really soured them on the idea of not being in absolute control of the government of the state in which they reside. Sort of unreasonable, really. I'm sure the Palestinians would be more than gracious if they ever achieved significant power.

throwboatyface 3y ago
It's wild that a two-state solution was widely accepted 30 years ago, and now the Overton window has moved so much that Israel occupying the entirety of Palestine and killing or displacing all the Arab population is no big deal. I sympathize with the desire for a Jewish state but the United States has supported them to the hilt in human rights abuses, war crimes and expansionism that aren't related to that goal.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  US support was always predicated on "they're on our side against the Soviets, and their enemies are definitely siding with them". Even then, it was always strained (they painted over their plane's markings and bombed one of our ships, ffs). Ignoring the recent shenanigans, the Russians are a non-issue and the Israelis aren't much helping with that anyway. I have no idea why support continues. It's difficult to formulate an explanation that doesn't come off as whackjob conspiracy-theorist. As for a "two-state solution"... it was never much of a solution for the Israelis. The other state soon outnumbers them, and they're right back to where they were in the 1960s, but with fewer options and less advantage. Same but for details with a one-state solution. If they ever pretended to accept the two-state solution, it was only to string things along as much as possible. I'm not sure why anyone ever thought it was genuine.
techdmn 3y ago
Was that something living in a state that decided it should be a different kind of ethnostate? This might be a controversial take, but I think ethnostates in general lead to poor outcomes.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Sure, it seems like ethnostates seem like they lead to poor outcomes. But you're also saying that to criticize an ethnicity who found out what the outcomes were for non-ethnostates, so it falls a little flat. And since they're the ones you have to convince, not me, you might need to work on your argument a bit.
potatototoo99 3y ago
I know you're being sarcastic but I think that same something really soured the world on there being any ethnostates at all, anywhere.

throwboatyface 3y ago

It's wild that a two-state solution was widely accepted 30 years ago, and now the Overton window has moved so much that Israel occupying the entirety of Palestine and killing or displacing all the Arab population is no big deal. I sympathize with the desire for a Jewish state but the United States has supported them to the hilt in human rights abuses, war crimes and expansionism that aren't related to that goal.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
US support was always predicated on "they're on our side against the Soviets, and their enemies are definitely siding with them". Even then, it was always strained (they painted over their plane's markings and bombed one of our ships, ffs). Ignoring the recent shenanigans, the Russians are a non-issue and the Israelis aren't much helping with that anyway. I have no idea why support continues. It's difficult to formulate an explanation that doesn't come off as whackjob conspiracy-theorist. As for a "two-state solution"... it was never much of a solution for the Israelis. The other state soon outnumbers them, and they're right back to where they were in the 1960s, but with fewer options and less advantage. Same but for details with a one-state solution. If they ever pretended to accept the two-state solution, it was only to string things along as much as possible. I'm not sure why anyone ever thought it was genuine.

techdmn 3y ago

Was that something living in a state that decided it should be a different kind of ethnostate? This might be a controversial take, but I think ethnostates in general lead to poor outcomes.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
Sure, it seems like ethnostates seem like they lead to poor outcomes. But you're also saying that to criticize an ethnicity who found out what the outcomes were for non-ethnostates, so it falls a little flat. And since they're the ones you have to convince, not me, you might need to work on your argument a bit.

potatototoo99 3y ago

I know you're being sarcastic but I think that same something really soured the world on there being any ethnostates at all, anywhere.