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As far as I know the Five Factor Model is a far more scientific measure than MBTI. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits https://en.m.wik

As far as I know the Five Factor Model is a far more scientific measure than MBTI. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits - Repeatability - Not based on Jungian pseudoscience - Peer acceptance

dooraven 3y ago
Big 5 is accurate but hard to explain. MBTI is fairly easy to explain and honestly it's not like astrology where it is random, an INTP does act very differently than an ENFJ
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  The important difference is that psych frameworks are a description. And astrology is a predictor. If you’re not a Taurus, the elements of a Taurus are not supposed to relate to you. that part of the framework is theoretically irrelevant. If you think you’re an INTP you likely are. If you think you’re a Taurus then… doesn’t matter.
- DriverDaily 3y ago
  Each letter is binary, whereas personality is not. If someone is barely extroverted you’re assigning them a full E anyways. That’s a poor predictor.
feanaro 3y ago
It's notable that MBTI is fairly correlated with the FFM: https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/13460/what-correlation-research-has-been-done-on-mbti-vs-big5/13483 https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/13460/what-co...
- DriverDaily 3y ago
  Few of those r-values are actually notable > To further examine the universality of the Five-Factor Model, they examined how the MBTI dimensional raw scores related to the FFM/Big5 scores. They showed that FFM-Extroversion was highly correlated to MBTI-Introversion (r = -.74), FFM-Neuroticism was weakly correlated to MBTI-Introversion (r = .16), FFM-Openness was correlated to MBTI-Intuition (r = .72), and to MBTI-Perception (r = .30), FFM-Agreeableness was correlated to MBTI-Feeling (r = .44), FFM-Contentiousness correlated to MBTI-Perception (r = .49).
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    They’re not supposed to be the same thing. You would not expect them to have super high correlations Even if the tests were perfect.
    - DriverDaily 3y ago
      I was repsonding to this > It's notable that MBTI is fairly correlated with the FFM Sounds like we agree this statement is false
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        Those are honestly pretty high correlations for something like this. High is subjective of course. I feel like the question you want to ask is how well can you predict an MBTI score knowing only someone’s FFM. Well if a correlation value is .7 (squared to .49) then you would expect to guess correctly about 75% of the time with just the univariate relationship (naively assuming that the underlying distribution is 50/50 to begin with, without which we would need to refer to something like a RoC AUC score…).

dooraven 3y ago

Big 5 is accurate but hard to explain. MBTI is fairly easy to explain and honestly it's not like astrology where it is random, an INTP does act very differently than an ENFJ

jncfhnb 3y ago
The important difference is that psych frameworks are a description. And astrology is a predictor. If you’re not a Taurus, the elements of a Taurus are not supposed to relate to you. that part of the framework is theoretically irrelevant. If you think you’re an INTP you likely are. If you think you’re a Taurus then… doesn’t matter.
DriverDaily 3y ago
Each letter is binary, whereas personality is not. If someone is barely extroverted you’re assigning them a full E anyways. That’s a poor predictor.

feanaro 3y ago

It's notable that MBTI is fairly correlated with the FFM: https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/13460/what-correlation-research-has-been-done-on-mbti-vs-big5/13483 https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/13460/what-co...

DriverDaily 3y ago
Few of those r-values are actually notable > To further examine the universality of the Five-Factor Model, they examined how the MBTI dimensional raw scores related to the FFM/Big5 scores. They showed that FFM-Extroversion was highly correlated to MBTI-Introversion (r = -.74), FFM-Neuroticism was weakly correlated to MBTI-Introversion (r = .16), FFM-Openness was correlated to MBTI-Intuition (r = .72), and to MBTI-Perception (r = .30), FFM-Agreeableness was correlated to MBTI-Feeling (r = .44), FFM-Contentiousness correlated to MBTI-Perception (r = .49).
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  They’re not supposed to be the same thing. You would not expect them to have super high correlations Even if the tests were perfect.
  - DriverDaily 3y ago
    I was repsonding to this > It's notable that MBTI is fairly correlated with the FFM Sounds like we agree this statement is false
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Those are honestly pretty high correlations for something like this. High is subjective of course. I feel like the question you want to ask is how well can you predict an MBTI score knowing only someone’s FFM. Well if a correlation value is .7 (squared to .49) then you would expect to guess correctly about 75% of the time with just the univariate relationship (naively assuming that the underlying distribution is 50/50 to begin with, without which we would need to refer to something like a RoC AUC score…).