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Absolutely. They can probably trade mark it for social media (unless someone already has), but are highly unlikely to be able to trademark it broadly, which cl

Absolutely. They can probably trade mark it for social media (unless someone already has), but are highly unlikely to be able to trademark it broadly, which clearly is the intention.

EspressoGPT 3y ago
Isn't a trademark always tied to its respective business domain?
- samwillis 3y ago
  Yes, but those "classes" can be quite wide, there is for example no way they could trademark it for "Class 9: Computer and software products and electrical and scientific products."
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    Wait until you find out about "apple" and "windows".
    - samwillis 3y ago
      Apple and windows are trademarks for software. You would be unable to get the trademark "Apple" for a company selling fruit, or "windows" for a window fitter, and neither could Apple or Microsoft. 𝕏 is a pre-existing symbol used by, and part of a standard character set for, software. You could probably get a trademark on it for a company selling apples, but I highly doubt you could for a software company.
      - bawolff 3y ago
        > 𝕏 is a pre-existing symbol used by "used by" is pretty debatable. Its a fairly obscure character. I don't think being in unicode by itself is sufficient enough to count.
        _flux 3y ago
        There is also https://www.x.org/ https://www.x.org/ which seems quite slow. I wonder if it's receiving more traffic than usually..
- denton-scratch 3y ago
  > its respective business domain Or to any number of business domains. See the trademark registration for "Wagatha Christie": https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003895558 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00...
tiborsaas 3y ago
I don't see a problem with this, it's a generic character used in mathematics. If nobody trademarked it before, it shouldn't cause any issues. If using greek letters like λ in brands is not a problem, then this should fly too. They could also apply for multiple trademarks with small additions if they launch a new product: 𝕏ₚₐᵧ
- samwillis 3y ago
  Trademarks are against a "class", these can be quite wide. They would clearly want to own that exact symbol for "Class 9: Computer and software products and electrical and scientific products." Unicode already contains exactly it, it's a mathematical/scientific symbol, even if they did get the trademark in that category (which I doubt) they will never be able to enforce it. With trade marks, if you don't successfully protect them, you loose them.
  - junofan 3y ago
    It’s totally enforceable. It’s a trademark. Who else is doing business with the Unicode doublestruck X?
    - aequitas 3y ago
      https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server
- redeux 3y ago
  I think this would seriously confuse his core audience, so I doubt that’s the intention. Then again, I think rebranding Twitter to X is a terrible idea, so what do I know.
- KingShabibo 3y ago
  It is a problem, because if theoretically Musk were to trademark that character (improbable), Unicode would likely be forced to remove that character and break every instance of it across the internet. Not to mention that anybody using that symbol, which already has an established meaning in mathematics, would be infringing on that trademark.

Absolutely. They can probably trade mark it for social media (unless someone already has), but are highly unlikely to be able to trademark it broadly, which clearly is the intention.

EspressoGPT 3y ago

Isn't a trademark always tied to its respective business domain?

samwillis 3y ago
Yes, but those "classes" can be quite wide, there is for example no way they could trademark it for "Class 9: Computer and software products and electrical and scientific products."
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  Wait until you find out about "apple" and "windows".
  - samwillis 3y ago
    Apple and windows are trademarks for software. You would be unable to get the trademark "Apple" for a company selling fruit, or "windows" for a window fitter, and neither could Apple or Microsoft. 𝕏 is a pre-existing symbol used by, and part of a standard character set for, software. You could probably get a trademark on it for a company selling apples, but I highly doubt you could for a software company.
    - bawolff 3y ago
      > 𝕏 is a pre-existing symbol used by "used by" is pretty debatable. Its a fairly obscure character. I don't think being in unicode by itself is sufficient enough to count.
      - _flux 3y ago
        There is also https://www.x.org/ https://www.x.org/ which seems quite slow. I wonder if it's receiving more traffic than usually..
denton-scratch 3y ago
> its respective business domain Or to any number of business domains. See the trademark registration for "Wagatha Christie": https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003895558 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00...

tiborsaas 3y ago

I don't see a problem with this, it's a generic character used in mathematics. If nobody trademarked it before, it shouldn't cause any issues. If using greek letters like λ in brands is not a problem, then this should fly too. They could also apply for multiple trademarks with small additions if they launch a new product: 𝕏ₚₐᵧ

samwillis 3y ago
Trademarks are against a "class", these can be quite wide. They would clearly want to own that exact symbol for "Class 9: Computer and software products and electrical and scientific products." Unicode already contains exactly it, it's a mathematical/scientific symbol, even if they did get the trademark in that category (which I doubt) they will never be able to enforce it. With trade marks, if you don't successfully protect them, you loose them.
- junofan 3y ago
  It’s totally enforceable. It’s a trademark. Who else is doing business with the Unicode doublestruck X?
  - aequitas 3y ago
    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server
redeux 3y ago
I think this would seriously confuse his core audience, so I doubt that’s the intention. Then again, I think rebranding Twitter to X is a terrible idea, so what do I know.
KingShabibo 3y ago
It is a problem, because if theoretically Musk were to trademark that character (improbable), Unicode would likely be forced to remove that character and break every instance of it across the internet. Not to mention that anybody using that symbol, which already has an established meaning in mathematics, would be infringing on that trademark.