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Raw milk products are routinely consumed in France, I've never heard of someone getting sick from it. I'm not a big fan of milk consumption, but maybe the US s

Raw milk products are routinely consumed in France, I've never heard of someone getting sick from it. I'm not a big fan of milk consumption, but maybe the US should just send farmers and industrials to jail when they put people lives at risks.

Jochim 3y ago
> Raw milk products are routinely consumed in France, I've never heard of someone getting sick from it. Raw milk itself is not routinely consumed though. Apparently, 95% of the milk used by consumers is UHT[0]. People do get sick from unpasteurised end-products as well: > In France over the last decade, 34%, 37% and 60% of outbreaks of salmonellosis, listeriosis and enterohaemorrhagic E. coli (EHEC) infections respectively have been linked to the consumption of raw-milk cheeses.[1] April this year[2]: > Five people are sick in France, two seriously, and one in Belgium after drinking a brand of raw fermented milk. In 2019[3]: > The Shiga-toxin-producing E. coli (STEC) O26 outbreak was from March to mid-May. In total, 19 cases were identified, with 18 confirmed, of which 17 had HUS and were hospitalized. One child and an adult only had diarrhea. Of HUS cases, eight had neurological complications. The article mentions another outbreak in 2018. [0] https://www.filiere-laitiere.fr/en/milk-products/drinking-milk https://www.filiere-laitiere.fr/en/milk-products/drinking-mi... [1] https://www.anses.fr/en/content/raw-milk-cheeses-what-are-associated-health-risks-and-what-preventive-measures-can-be-taken https://www.anses.fr/en/content/raw-milk-cheeses-what-are-as... [2] https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/05/six-e-coli-infections-linked-to- https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/05/six-e-coli-infections... fermented-raw-milk/ [3] https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/12/report-details-2019-french-stec-raw-milk-cheese-outbreak/ https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/12/report-details-2019-f...
- canadiantim 3y ago
  Sounds more like inadequate testing than any deficiency in raw milk. It’s still absurd to deny people who want raw milk from obtaining it. Gatekeeping of the worst kind.
  - Jochim 3y ago
    People are prohibited from selling it. You may obtain all you'd like, no one's stopping you shooting it straight from the teat. An ice cream maker and husband of a dairy farmer puts it better than I could[0]. > My wife is 53 and has drunk raw milk pretty much daily all her life. However, we know the hygiene of our cows and of our milking process, and we know our herd is free of TB and MAP. > I am NOT a raw milk advocate for the simple reason that these health and safety issues are tough, and serious. So I would not drink the raw milk from another farmer’s cows. There’s simply too much risk. [0] https://www.quora.com/Why-does-raw-milk-taste-different-from-pasteurized-milk https://www.quora.com/Why-does-raw-milk-taste-different-from...

Jochim 3y ago

> Raw milk products are routinely consumed in France, I've never heard of someone getting sick from it. Raw milk itself is not routinely consumed though. Apparently, 95% of the milk used by consumers is UHT[0]. People do get sick from unpasteurised end-products as well: > In France over the last decade, 34%, 37% and 60% of outbreaks of salmonellosis, listeriosis and enterohaemorrhagic E. coli (EHEC) infections respectively have been linked to the consumption of raw-milk cheeses.[1] April this year[2]: > Five people are sick in France, two seriously, and one in Belgium after drinking a brand of raw fermented milk. In 2019[3]: > The Shiga-toxin-producing E. coli (STEC) O26 outbreak was from March to mid-May. In total, 19 cases were identified, with 18 confirmed, of which 17 had HUS and were hospitalized. One child and an adult only had diarrhea. Of HUS cases, eight had neurological complications. The article mentions another outbreak in 2018. [0] https://www.filiere-laitiere.fr/en/milk-products/drinking-milk https://www.filiere-laitiere.fr/en/milk-products/drinking-mi... [1] https://www.anses.fr/en/content/raw-milk-cheeses-what-are-associated-health-risks-and-what-preventive-measures-can-be-taken https://www.anses.fr/en/content/raw-milk-cheeses-what-are-as... [2] https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/05/six-e-coli-infections-linked-to- https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/05/six-e-coli-infections... fermented-raw-milk/ [3] https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/12/report-details-2019-french-stec-raw-milk-cheese-outbreak/ https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/12/report-details-2019-f...

canadiantim 3y ago
Sounds more like inadequate testing than any deficiency in raw milk. It’s still absurd to deny people who want raw milk from obtaining it. Gatekeeping of the worst kind.
- Jochim 3y ago
  People are prohibited from selling it. You may obtain all you'd like, no one's stopping you shooting it straight from the teat. An ice cream maker and husband of a dairy farmer puts it better than I could[0]. > My wife is 53 and has drunk raw milk pretty much daily all her life. However, we know the hygiene of our cows and of our milking process, and we know our herd is free of TB and MAP. > I am NOT a raw milk advocate for the simple reason that these health and safety issues are tough, and serious. So I would not drink the raw milk from another farmer’s cows. There’s simply too much risk. [0] https://www.quora.com/Why-does-raw-milk-taste-different-from-pasteurized-milk https://www.quora.com/Why-does-raw-milk-taste-different-from...