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The "fact" part of the page says that Los Alamos was secluded, which this Twitter thread puts into quite a different light: https://twitter.com/AlisaValdesRod1/

The "fact" part of the page says that Los Alamos was secluded, which this Twitter thread puts into quite a different light: https://twitter.com/AlisaValdesRod1/status/1682167160364494849 https://twitter.com/AlisaValdesRod1/status/16821671603644948...

defrost 3y ago
The region of the British atomic tests was equally secluded: https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/maralinga-how-british-nuclear-tests-changed-history-forever#:~:text=About%201%2C200%20Aboriginal%20people%20were,The%20explosion%20caused%20blindness https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/m.... Later tests at tropical islands respected human rights to a similar degree: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9199216 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9199216 Tests in French Polynesia were just as shady, perhaps more so. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56340159 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56340159 The two live 3–4-megaton Mark 39 nuclear bombs dropped on North Carolina didn't have quite the same effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash
Lolaccount 3y ago
https://archive.li/PPyd4 https://archive.li/PPyd4
soderfoo 3y ago
It was relatively secluded. Federal agencies already owned and controlled 90% of the land needed for the site and the local residents were mostly homesteaders granted grazing permits by the Federal government. Landowners for the remaining 10% were compensated through the process of eminent domain. Utilities and roads were built to access the seized land. Maybe the process could have been more humane, but it is easy to sit back in the comfort of the 21 century and feign outrage. The nation was facing existential challenges and the war machine required sacrifice from all civilians. This kind of context would go a long way in fostering better conversations. In regards to this tweet, it would have been nice for the author to acknowledge that while the Hispanos' grazing permits for the land were withdrawn, it was their sacrifice for the war effort.
- rakoo 3y ago
  I don't understand how the government can force something upon its citizens and call it a "sacrifice". It's not a sacrifice if it doesn't come from you.
  - AwaAwa 3y ago
    "Sacrifice" is the term used to whitewash such actions. Just ask the japanese-americans in who availed of Camp 'Sacrifice'.
- pjc50 3y ago
  Yeah, this sort of thing happened a lot. The UK confiscated the remaining village within the Salisbury Plain training ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imber Then there's all the Pacific islanders and the post-war nuclear tests, all the way up to the French government carrying out a lethal terrorist attack against New Zealand in 1985: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior

defrost 3y ago

The region of the British atomic tests was equally secluded: https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/maralinga-how-british-nuclear-tests-changed-history-forever#:~:text=About%201%2C200%20Aboriginal%20people%20were,The%20explosion%20caused%20blindness https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/m.... Later tests at tropical islands respected human rights to a similar degree: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9199216 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9199216 Tests in French Polynesia were just as shady, perhaps more so. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56340159 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56340159 The two live 3–4-megaton Mark 39 nuclear bombs dropped on North Carolina didn't have quite the same effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash

Lolaccount 3y ago

https://archive.li/PPyd4 https://archive.li/PPyd4

soderfoo 3y ago

It was relatively secluded. Federal agencies already owned and controlled 90% of the land needed for the site and the local residents were mostly homesteaders granted grazing permits by the Federal government. Landowners for the remaining 10% were compensated through the process of eminent domain. Utilities and roads were built to access the seized land. Maybe the process could have been more humane, but it is easy to sit back in the comfort of the 21 century and feign outrage. The nation was facing existential challenges and the war machine required sacrifice from all civilians. This kind of context would go a long way in fostering better conversations. In regards to this tweet, it would have been nice for the author to acknowledge that while the Hispanos' grazing permits for the land were withdrawn, it was their sacrifice for the war effort.

rakoo 3y ago
I don't understand how the government can force something upon its citizens and call it a "sacrifice". It's not a sacrifice if it doesn't come from you.
- AwaAwa 3y ago
  "Sacrifice" is the term used to whitewash such actions. Just ask the japanese-americans in who availed of Camp 'Sacrifice'.
pjc50 3y ago
Yeah, this sort of thing happened a lot. The UK confiscated the remaining village within the Salisbury Plain training ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imber Then there's all the Pacific islanders and the post-war nuclear tests, all the way up to the French government carrying out a lethal terrorist attack against New Zealand in 1985: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior