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> There’s serious hate for Apple amongst techs. Really? Wow. My anecdotal experience is that most people in tech are blind fans of apple.

alpaca128 3y ago
I think it varies a lot by where you live. In the US Apple seems to be much more popular, meanwhile where I live it's more seen as overpriced fashion brand for non-technical people. The few people in technical fields who actually use Macbooks tend to see it more as time-efficient alternative to Linux, at least that's my observation. I have met a lot of Apple haters in the past but not a single blind fan.
- EspressoGPT 3y ago
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  - aleph_minus_one 3y ago
    > but in Europe, pseudo-elitist nerds or CS students taunt Apple for being a "too overpriced toy for non-technical people". That's how I know they don't have a clue about software engineering, lol. In my experience ("filter bubble"), the central reason for the insane hate on Apple is rather that with the iPhone, Apple made the "golden cage" fashionable. When Microsoft attempted to implement similar measures in the past (keywords: Trusted/Trustworthy Computing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing), Palladium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computing_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computi...), Trusted Platform Module (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module), ...), a huge outcry among users, and a shitstorm against Microsoft happened. The acceptance of the golden cage of the iPhone showed that an insane amount of users are willing to be enslaved in a golden cage, and thus all the data activism to keep users in control of their devices was just a paper tiger. The fact that these Apple fanbois actively sabotaged this activism by their buying decisions is in my opinion a very good reason for this insane hate.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
      The issue is that the activists represent a real minority of users. When we hang out in echo chambers, we start thinking that there are “a lot” of people that think like us. Most folks aren’t technologically savvy. They don’t particularly want to be bothered by the “nitty gritty” of tech usership. They just want their tool to do what they want, without any fuss. This has had a lot of terrible results. Tech moguls have made a lot of money, by taking advantage of this. But it’s far older than smartphones. Demagogues have used this propensity for thousands of years, to keep most folks on the smelly end of the stick. The refusal of tech activists to understand this, has, in my opinion, caused an enormous amount of damage. People aren’t dumb, and we need to understand, and embrace that. Just because they don’t find tech as fascinating as we do, is no reason to dismiss them. In fact, as I said, some rather rapacious tech robber barons understand this all too well. Want to be effective? Make security and privacy easy to use. Otherwise, we’re just howling at the moon.
  - shortrounddev2 3y ago
    They're right, you know
    - EspressoGPT 3y ago
      No, they are dogmatic, zealos, and emotional about a ... computer. I want a Unix system because I prefer that for programming, I want a laptop because I want to change between offices, and I want to get started asap and get my work done without having to worry about hardware compatibility too much, so I prefer macOS over Linux. Simple as that. Yes, Apple is expensive, but my company pays that MacBook so I don't care about that either. I get a well-functioning Unix with great usability and nice specs, with hardware and software from the same manufacturer. It works for me, so it's ok for me.
  - YSMLpT4b 3y ago
    Wow that's fascinating. Why do you think people from 44 different nations, dozens of different ethnic and language groups, collectively decided to hate apple?

alpaca128 3y ago

I think it varies a lot by where you live. In the US Apple seems to be much more popular, meanwhile where I live it's more seen as overpriced fashion brand for non-technical people. The few people in technical fields who actually use Macbooks tend to see it more as time-efficient alternative to Linux, at least that's my observation. I have met a lot of Apple haters in the past but not a single blind fan.

EspressoGPT 3y ago
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- aleph_minus_one 3y ago
  > but in Europe, pseudo-elitist nerds or CS students taunt Apple for being a "too overpriced toy for non-technical people". That's how I know they don't have a clue about software engineering, lol. In my experience ("filter bubble"), the central reason for the insane hate on Apple is rather that with the iPhone, Apple made the "golden cage" fashionable. When Microsoft attempted to implement similar measures in the past (keywords: Trusted/Trustworthy Computing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trustworthy_computing), Palladium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computing_Base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computi...), Trusted Platform Module (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module), ...), a huge outcry among users, and a shitstorm against Microsoft happened. The acceptance of the golden cage of the iPhone showed that an insane amount of users are willing to be enslaved in a golden cage, and thus all the data activism to keep users in control of their devices was just a paper tiger. The fact that these Apple fanbois actively sabotaged this activism by their buying decisions is in my opinion a very good reason for this insane hate.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 3y ago
    The issue is that the activists represent a real minority of users. When we hang out in echo chambers, we start thinking that there are “a lot” of people that think like us. Most folks aren’t technologically savvy. They don’t particularly want to be bothered by the “nitty gritty” of tech usership. They just want their tool to do what they want, without any fuss. This has had a lot of terrible results. Tech moguls have made a lot of money, by taking advantage of this. But it’s far older than smartphones. Demagogues have used this propensity for thousands of years, to keep most folks on the smelly end of the stick. The refusal of tech activists to understand this, has, in my opinion, caused an enormous amount of damage. People aren’t dumb, and we need to understand, and embrace that. Just because they don’t find tech as fascinating as we do, is no reason to dismiss them. In fact, as I said, some rather rapacious tech robber barons understand this all too well. Want to be effective? Make security and privacy easy to use. Otherwise, we’re just howling at the moon.
- shortrounddev2 3y ago
  They're right, you know
  - EspressoGPT 3y ago
    No, they are dogmatic, zealos, and emotional about a ... computer. I want a Unix system because I prefer that for programming, I want a laptop because I want to change between offices, and I want to get started asap and get my work done without having to worry about hardware compatibility too much, so I prefer macOS over Linux. Simple as that. Yes, Apple is expensive, but my company pays that MacBook so I don't care about that either. I get a well-functioning Unix with great usability and nice specs, with hardware and software from the same manufacturer. It works for me, so it's ok for me.
- YSMLpT4b 3y ago
  Wow that's fascinating. Why do you think people from 44 different nations, dozens of different ethnic and language groups, collectively decided to hate apple?