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> No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his ... correspondence Still, nobody was ever shocked that a judge could order letters to be open or
by pif 3y ago
> No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his ... correspondence
Still, nobody was ever shocked that a judge could order letters to be open or telephones to be tapped. And yet, as soon as someone asks whether we should consider something similar for electronic encryption, HN reacts as if this was something never heard of, nor imaginable.
- pera 3y agoThis is about mass surveillance, not about court orders for wiretapping a person who is being investigated for a crime.
- pif 3y agoWhether for one person or for everybody, eavesdropping requires encryption to be breakable. We must accept that serious discussion on this issue is not yet closed, and we must accept that one possible outcome is that encryption be banned. Treating a recent advancement in computing technology as the most natural of the things is not good advocacy of an issue.
- pera 3y ago> eavesdropping requires encryption to be breakable This is false.
- pif 3y agoI'm sincerely interested in an example. Thanks in advance!
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- knewter 3y ago> encryption be banned You want a law that says we can't share prime numbers?
- pif 3y agoI'm not sure you read any of my comments, apart the one you replied to. My only point is that discussions concerning the use of encryption must be accepted, because there is nothing inherently evil or unnatural in them. Don't let's get shocked any time someone proposes something that goes against some folks' credo, and let's debate the proposal in a constructive manner.
- knewter 3y agoI maintain that banning the sharing of prime numbers is outside of the powers of a legitimate government, regardless.