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What spite you mean? I seem to recall trademark troubles with Oracle, which led to everyone forking and starting Jenkins. But I don't think I've heard of Orac

What spite you mean? I seem to recall trademark troubles with Oracle, which led to everyone forking and starting Jenkins. But I don't think I've heard of Oracle intentionally burying a product.

oblio 3y ago
> I seem to recall trademark troubles with Oracle, which led to everyone forking and starting Jenkins. Well, you have a keyword in there, "everyone". All but 1 major contributor (not even the main contributor and definitely not the project architect and lead) disagreed with their decision. Oracle persisted with the help of that major contributor - an Oracle employee, BTW - and while Jenkins was being created, they did not want to contribute and instead tried to create a competing effort over at the Eclipse Foundation. Jenkins was receiving 95% of the contributions because, as you said, "everyone" was helping out, while Hudson was slowly dying on the vine at the Eclipse Foundation, and Oracle was putting out cheerful release announcements for it <<for years>> even though anyone who checked the commit logs could clearly see that Hudson was dying. Oracle kept pushing with Hudson internally for quite a few years but even they gave up and buried Hudson a while ago. Similar story with OpenOffice. They <<really, really>> wanted control so they forced everyone else to force through their actions and OpenOffice basically had the same face, Apache Foundation, death. Though OpenOffice is more of a zombie these days, I don't think it's been shut down completely like Hudson.
alfiedotwtf 3y ago
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oblio 3y ago
The shame!!! I checked now and Hudson seems to be completely gone: https://git.eclipse.org/c/hudson/ https://git.eclipse.org/c/hudson/ The Eclipse Foundation has taken down even the Git repo, let alone the website. DamageControl, the original inspiration for Hudson/Jenkins still has a repo on GitHub: https://github.com/codehaus/damagecontrol https://github.com/codehaus/damagecontrol So a super small toy CI server from 18+ years ago still has its source available yet Hudson, while the OG big CI server is completely gone from the internet, including Oracle's modifications. Kind of shameful from the Eclipse Foundation, especially after the initial boasting: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Eclipse-Foundation-announces-Hudson-3-0-1790687.html http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Eclipse-Foundation-an...
- dale_glass 3y ago
  It looks like it was taken down in June 2021 after years of nothing happening and nobody really noticed.
  - oblio 3y ago
    Still shameful that they didn't just put a copy on Github. 5 minutes of "work" and we could have kept a bit of internet history around.
    - dale_glass 3y ago
      True, but since it's git, anybody can just take their local checkout and push it to github.
      - oblio 3y ago
        If anyone still has it...

What spite you mean? I seem to recall trademark troubles with Oracle, which led to everyone forking and starting Jenkins. But I don't think I've heard of Oracle intentionally burying a product.

oblio 3y ago

> I seem to recall trademark troubles with Oracle, which led to everyone forking and starting Jenkins. Well, you have a keyword in there, "everyone". All but 1 major contributor (not even the main contributor and definitely not the project architect and lead) disagreed with their decision. Oracle persisted with the help of that major contributor - an Oracle employee, BTW - and while Jenkins was being created, they did not want to contribute and instead tried to create a competing effort over at the Eclipse Foundation. Jenkins was receiving 95% of the contributions because, as you said, "everyone" was helping out, while Hudson was slowly dying on the vine at the Eclipse Foundation, and Oracle was putting out cheerful release announcements for it <<for years>> even though anyone who checked the commit logs could clearly see that Hudson was dying. Oracle kept pushing with Hudson internally for quite a few years but even they gave up and buried Hudson a while ago. Similar story with OpenOffice. They <<really, really>> wanted control so they forced everyone else to force through their actions and OpenOffice basically had the same face, Apache Foundation, death. Though OpenOffice is more of a zombie these days, I don't think it's been shut down completely like Hudson.

alfiedotwtf 3y ago

MySQL has entered the chat

oblio 3y ago

The shame!!! I checked now and Hudson seems to be completely gone: https://git.eclipse.org/c/hudson/ https://git.eclipse.org/c/hudson/ The Eclipse Foundation has taken down even the Git repo, let alone the website. DamageControl, the original inspiration for Hudson/Jenkins still has a repo on GitHub: https://github.com/codehaus/damagecontrol https://github.com/codehaus/damagecontrol So a super small toy CI server from 18+ years ago still has its source available yet Hudson, while the OG big CI server is completely gone from the internet, including Oracle's modifications. Kind of shameful from the Eclipse Foundation, especially after the initial boasting: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Eclipse-Foundation-announces-Hudson-3-0-1790687.html http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Eclipse-Foundation-an...

dale_glass 3y ago
It looks like it was taken down in June 2021 after years of nothing happening and nobody really noticed.
- oblio 3y ago
  Still shameful that they didn't just put a copy on Github. 5 minutes of "work" and we could have kept a bit of internet history around.
  - dale_glass 3y ago
    True, but since it's git, anybody can just take their local checkout and push it to github.
    - oblio 3y ago
      If anyone still has it...