> You do realize that if you do all of those things in an ICE, you'll get a similar drop in range, right? Yes but when most people talk about 400 miles of rang

> You do realize that if you do all of those things in an ICE, you'll get a similar drop in range, right? Yes but when most people talk about 400 miles of range in an ICE car they are usually referring to at least typical (==harsh, if you are in the western part of the US) conditions with AC on full blast and lots of mountains. When EV companies boast 400 miles of range they're testing it on an ideal track. Very different. I have a model 3 long range, advertised 358 miles, I get nowhere near that, more like 200 miles in realistic California conditions, which are (a) searing heat in the central valley in summer (b) mountains everywhere else (c) biting cold in the winter anywhere in the far north or far east part of the state (d) stop sign hell in the bay area which forces you to stop and go every block.