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Oracle does a very good job in ensurnig their software is used by as least users as possible. My company has recently issued a global e-mail requiring all emplo

Oracle does a very good job in ensurnig their software is used by as least users as possible. My company has recently issued a global e-mail requiring all employees to uninstall everything related to VirtualBox and switch to different solutions (vmware, parallels). It's a shame, because VirtualBox was one of my favorite virtualizers, but at this point I'm afraid that Oracle lawyers will get me for staring on an icon for too long without paying an extended icon license.

ForOldHack 3y ago
Are they going to start charging for air now?
- SllX 3y ago
  The lawyers in R&D are working on this as we speak. But nobody tell them that hardware stores figured this out decades ago…
stephenr 3y ago
> VirtualBox was one of my favorite virtualizers Can I ask why? The "big selling point" for a long time has been the $0 cost - it's essentially common knowledge now that Parallels or VMWare will provide anywhere from slightly to much better performance on the same hardware.
- self_awareness 3y ago
  Well, yes, that was the main thing, it was free to use, and it was easier to "convince" it to virtualize macOS on non-Apple hardware. Also I liked the fact that it was easy to run headless VMs (VBoxHeadless), and the "VBoxManage" command-line tool was pretty capable. Plus, the dual monitor functionality worked on my setup pretty well (Linux host and Windows guest). But anyway, today I have everything I need through KVM and virt-manager when I want to run Linux or Windows guests, on macOS I use UTM for home/manual use. On macOS VirtualBox was a no-go because VirtualBox is an x86 virtualizer, so they don't have plans to support arm64 anyway.
  - stephenr 3y ago
    > On macOS VirtualBox was a no-go because VirtualBox is an x86 virtualizer, so they don't have plans to support arm64 anyway So apparently their long term goal[1] is to support Arm-on-Arm VMs, but they didn't even intend[2] to ship the x86-on-Arm version yet really, so don't hold your breath for Arm-on-Arm. 1: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=523070#p523070 https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=523070#p523070 2: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=537634#p537634 https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=537634#p537634

ForOldHack 3y ago

Are they going to start charging for air now?

SllX 3y ago
The lawyers in R&D are working on this as we speak. But nobody tell them that hardware stores figured this out decades ago…

stephenr 3y ago

> VirtualBox was one of my favorite virtualizers Can I ask why? The "big selling point" for a long time has been the $0 cost - it's essentially common knowledge now that Parallels or VMWare will provide anywhere from slightly to much better performance on the same hardware.

self_awareness 3y ago
Well, yes, that was the main thing, it was free to use, and it was easier to "convince" it to virtualize macOS on non-Apple hardware. Also I liked the fact that it was easy to run headless VMs (VBoxHeadless), and the "VBoxManage" command-line tool was pretty capable. Plus, the dual monitor functionality worked on my setup pretty well (Linux host and Windows guest). But anyway, today I have everything I need through KVM and virt-manager when I want to run Linux or Windows guests, on macOS I use UTM for home/manual use. On macOS VirtualBox was a no-go because VirtualBox is an x86 virtualizer, so they don't have plans to support arm64 anyway.
- stephenr 3y ago
  > On macOS VirtualBox was a no-go because VirtualBox is an x86 virtualizer, so they don't have plans to support arm64 anyway So apparently their long term goal[1] is to support Arm-on-Arm VMs, but they didn't even intend[2] to ship the x86-on-Arm version yet really, so don't hold your breath for Arm-on-Arm. 1: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=523070#p523070 https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=523070#p523070 2: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=537634#p537634 https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=537634#p537634