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> The law would have made it illegal to knowingly film police officers 8 feet (2.5 meters) or closer if the officer tells the person to stop. This seems entire

> The law would have made it illegal to knowingly film police officers 8 feet (2.5 meters) or closer if the officer tells the person to stop. This seems entirely reasonable. I'm not sure what you'd capture closer than 8 feet that you would not from farther away.

dagenix 3y ago
What if you are filming and standing still and then the police officer walks toward you?
- searealist 3y ago
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  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Police already play copyright music in order to kill livestreams of them. These feel like excuses to prevent checks against legalized force. https://www.techdirt.com/2021/07/06/law-enforcement-officer-openly-admits-hes-playing-copyrighted-music-to-prevent-citizens-recording-being-uploaded-to-youtube/ https://www.techdirt.com/2021/07/06/law-enforcement-officer-... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-copyrighted-music-to-thwart-citizens-recording-their-actions/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-c...
    - searealist 3y ago
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      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        Not all opinions are equal. > The law prohibits or chills a substantial amount of First Amendment protected activity and is unnecessary to prevent interference with police officers given other Arizona laws in effect,” [Federal Judge] Tuchi ruled. The original Republican sponsor of the measure has been unable to find someone to defend it, as the article notes. > Republican state Sen. John Kavanagh, who sponsored the measure, has said he was unable to find an outside group to defend the legislation.
  - PTOB 3y ago
    There's plenty of instances of this exact thing captured on YouTube. Police can be seen walking up to people filming and placing themselves in close proximity to block views.
  - dagenix 3y ago
    Could you please explain what I'm inventing?
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cool_dude85 3y ago
Why's that? If the journalist is getting in the way, no doubt they can find a charge for interfering with the police's job. There's even built in evidence when they get the camera. If they're not interfering, what's the problem?
engineer_22 3y ago
Whether you believe it reasonable or not, a federal judge has reasoned it is unconstitutional. It could be appealed, but from the article it sounds like there isn't much popular support for the law, and the governor had a hard time finding someone to litigate in support
- DistractionRect 3y ago
  IANAL, but from a common sense perspective: - most police have body cams now, so presumably, their voices and actions are already being recorded - citizens interacting with police don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy, so they cannot opt out of being recorded So it seems fine that citizens can create their own copy of the incident that's already being recorded. To flip it on it's head, I can't think of a reasonable, let alone constitutional, argument for "I can record you but you cannot record me" Of course, this leaves out the case where they don't have body cams/aren't recording. In that instance, though, we already have a pretty strong precedent that people cannot have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public spaces. That's why we can take selfies, vlog, talk on the phone, etc regardless if people are in the background. Not to mention straight up record whatever is around - dashcams, security cameras, etc.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > most police have body cams now, so presumably, their voices and actions are already being recorded These notoriously malfunction during abuse.
jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 3y ago
It makes it illegal to film an officer physically assaulting you, for example.
kibwen 3y ago
The next sentence: > And on private property, an officer who decides that someone is interfering or that the area is unsafe could have ordered the person to stop filming even if the recording was being made with the owner’s permission. Which seems to imply that if a police officer breaks into your house, they can order you to stop filming them at their sole discretion.
- searealist 3y ago
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  - jwilber 3y ago
    What did you find ridiculous about their extrapolation? I didn’t find it ridiculous at all. Regarding your 8ft comment: plenty of footage has popped up of cops getting caught red-handed planting drugs. Much of it was filmed within 8 feet.
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- dylan604 3y ago
  They just don’t want to be in another rap video. I think you should be able to post a sign on the exterior of the house that says “Video recording in progress. By entering the premises, you grant the use of your likeness” just like when TV shows shoot in public places.
  - zirgs 3y ago
SllX 3y ago
Only in a world where an officer can’t get closer than 8 feet from you without a warrant. We don’t live in that world and while I’m not anti-police, American PDs have proven they are both willing and able to game little loopholes like this if they find it to be in their personal interest to do so.
cmh89 3y ago
>'m not sure what you'd capture closer than 8 feet that you would not from farther away Are you under the impression that long shots show as much as close in shots?
slavboj 3y ago
It is extremely common to have, eg, a couple cops beating the shit out of someone, and a couple more instructing a crowd to stand back. You are within 8 feet of the latter, because they are approaching you. You will also be within 8 feet of a cop as a passenger during any traffic stop.
- zimpenfish 3y ago
  > You will also be within 8 feet of a cop as a passenger during any traffic stop. IIRC, the law (bad as it was) did have an exception for people in the vehicle during traffic stops.

dagenix 3y ago

What if you are filming and standing still and then the police officer walks toward you?

searealist 3y ago
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- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Police already play copyright music in order to kill livestreams of them. These feel like excuses to prevent checks against legalized force. https://www.techdirt.com/2021/07/06/law-enforcement-officer-openly-admits-hes-playing-copyrighted-music-to-prevent-citizens-recording-being-uploaded-to-youtube/ https://www.techdirt.com/2021/07/06/law-enforcement-officer-... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-copyrighted-music-to-thwart-citizens-recording-their-actions/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-c...
  - searealist 3y ago
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    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Not all opinions are equal. > The law prohibits or chills a substantial amount of First Amendment protected activity and is unnecessary to prevent interference with police officers given other Arizona laws in effect,” [Federal Judge] Tuchi ruled. The original Republican sponsor of the measure has been unable to find someone to defend it, as the article notes. > Republican state Sen. John Kavanagh, who sponsored the measure, has said he was unable to find an outside group to defend the legislation.
- PTOB 3y ago
  There's plenty of instances of this exact thing captured on YouTube. Police can be seen walking up to people filming and placing themselves in close proximity to block views.
- dagenix 3y ago
  Could you please explain what I'm inventing?
- deleted 3y ago
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cool_dude85 3y ago

Why's that? If the journalist is getting in the way, no doubt they can find a charge for interfering with the police's job. There's even built in evidence when they get the camera. If they're not interfering, what's the problem?

engineer_22 3y ago

Whether you believe it reasonable or not, a federal judge has reasoned it is unconstitutional. It could be appealed, but from the article it sounds like there isn't much popular support for the law, and the governor had a hard time finding someone to litigate in support

DistractionRect 3y ago
IANAL, but from a common sense perspective: - most police have body cams now, so presumably, their voices and actions are already being recorded - citizens interacting with police don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy, so they cannot opt out of being recorded So it seems fine that citizens can create their own copy of the incident that's already being recorded. To flip it on it's head, I can't think of a reasonable, let alone constitutional, argument for "I can record you but you cannot record me" Of course, this leaves out the case where they don't have body cams/aren't recording. In that instance, though, we already have a pretty strong precedent that people cannot have a reasonable expectation of privacy in public spaces. That's why we can take selfies, vlog, talk on the phone, etc regardless if people are in the background. Not to mention straight up record whatever is around - dashcams, security cameras, etc.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > most police have body cams now, so presumably, their voices and actions are already being recorded These notoriously malfunction during abuse.

jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 3y ago

It makes it illegal to film an officer physically assaulting you, for example.

kibwen 3y ago

The next sentence: > And on private property, an officer who decides that someone is interfering or that the area is unsafe could have ordered the person to stop filming even if the recording was being made with the owner’s permission. Which seems to imply that if a police officer breaks into your house, they can order you to stop filming them at their sole discretion.

searealist 3y ago
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- jwilber 3y ago
  What did you find ridiculous about their extrapolation? I didn’t find it ridiculous at all. Regarding your 8ft comment: plenty of footage has popped up of cops getting caught red-handed planting drugs. Much of it was filmed within 8 feet.
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dylan604 3y ago
They just don’t want to be in another rap video. I think you should be able to post a sign on the exterior of the house that says “Video recording in progress. By entering the premises, you grant the use of your likeness” just like when TV shows shoot in public places.
- zirgs 3y ago

SllX 3y ago

Only in a world where an officer can’t get closer than 8 feet from you without a warrant. We don’t live in that world and while I’m not anti-police, American PDs have proven they are both willing and able to game little loopholes like this if they find it to be in their personal interest to do so.

cmh89 3y ago

>'m not sure what you'd capture closer than 8 feet that you would not from farther away Are you under the impression that long shots show as much as close in shots?

slavboj 3y ago

It is extremely common to have, eg, a couple cops beating the shit out of someone, and a couple more instructing a crowd to stand back. You are within 8 feet of the latter, because they are approaching you. You will also be within 8 feet of a cop as a passenger during any traffic stop.

zimpenfish 3y ago
> You will also be within 8 feet of a cop as a passenger during any traffic stop. IIRC, the law (bad as it was) did have an exception for people in the vehicle during traffic stops.