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You must be fun at parties. Not sure where you're going with this though. Your point is things are going to hell, so a gradual decline in population, growth, a

You must be fun at parties. Not sure where you're going with this though. Your point is things are going to hell, so a gradual decline in population, growth, and economic activity wouldn't be as good as a hard crash?

myshpa 3y ago
> You must be fun at parties. Yep, that's me ;) > a gradual decline in population, growth, and economic activity No time for that, probably. And it's not even on the horizon ... all policies have economic growth encoded in them. We're not even thinking about slowing down. We're not talking about/doing degrowth, afforesting, reforming industrial agriculture, abolishing animal agriculture, making a dent if fossil fuel consumption, stopping overfishing and biodiversity loss ... we don't really do anything, instead just dream of blocking the sun with sulphuric aerosols and leaving for another planets. Hard crash, and soon, would be probably better. More resources for the civilization that comes after this one.
- slashdev 3y ago
  Burn it all down and start over? I think that's rarely the best approach. We're going to have to figure this sustainability thing out though, we can't just ignore the problems. Either way, it's going to be a big challenge, and things may get ugly.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    > Burn it all down and start over We won't be the ones doing that. > We're going to have to figure this sustainability thing out though It may be already late. I wish it wasn't so. I think we could have chance at repairing it ... if only we would do what's necessary. But we're not doing what's necessary, we never started even discussing it, and I'm starting to doubt that we'll ever do. We're talking only about climate change, but that's only one of the symptoms of the overshoot. Even people @ hacker news mostly don't have a clue. > we can't just ignore the problems We've been ignoring them for 50-70 years. The limits to growth / club of Rome was in 1972? So far ... we did nothing but ignored the problems. We may cross the 1.5C threshold in 5 years. Not in 2050 as previously expected, but in 5 years. And we're still pursuing economic growth. Have you noticed any evidence to the contrary lately? > it's going to be a big challenge, and things may get ugly I recommend few videos for you. I must warn you ... it may hamper your ability to enjoy parties. Collapse: The Only Realistic Scenario - Arthur Keller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc How to Enjoy the End of the World - Dr. B. Sidney Smith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8 Arithmetic, Population and Energy - Dr. Albert A. Bartlett https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8 Why Societies Collapse And What it Means for Us - Joseph A. Tainter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI Revealing the Naked Emperor – Paris, 2° & Carbon Budgets - Kevin Anderson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPEbIEc1n0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPEbIEc1n0s
  - mempko 3y ago
    Humans have figured it out many times in history how to live sustainably but keep forgetting. When the Europeans came to the Americas, they found people living sustainably. They thought these people were primitive and have never experienced civilization. Well, it turns out they were the people that remained after civilization collapse and have adapted to live sustainably so they wouldn't repeat what the Europeans created. North and South America had, at some time, cities far larger than any in Europe before those civilizations collapsed. For example, the mound builders along the Mississippi. What's different today is we have now a GLOBAL civilization thanks to globalization. With many of the same features across people's and economies. Humans have never dealt with global risk like we do today.
    - myshpa 3y ago
      The dawn of everything? I loved that book :)
      - mempko 3y ago
        Great book. Everyone needs to read it.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  Not the first time I've seen a developer advocate for rewrite it all from scratch.

myshpa 3y ago

> You must be fun at parties. Yep, that's me ;) > a gradual decline in population, growth, and economic activity No time for that, probably. And it's not even on the horizon ... all policies have economic growth encoded in them. We're not even thinking about slowing down. We're not talking about/doing degrowth, afforesting, reforming industrial agriculture, abolishing animal agriculture, making a dent if fossil fuel consumption, stopping overfishing and biodiversity loss ... we don't really do anything, instead just dream of blocking the sun with sulphuric aerosols and leaving for another planets. Hard crash, and soon, would be probably better. More resources for the civilization that comes after this one.

slashdev 3y ago
Burn it all down and start over? I think that's rarely the best approach. We're going to have to figure this sustainability thing out though, we can't just ignore the problems. Either way, it's going to be a big challenge, and things may get ugly.
- myshpa 3y ago
  > Burn it all down and start over We won't be the ones doing that. > We're going to have to figure this sustainability thing out though It may be already late. I wish it wasn't so. I think we could have chance at repairing it ... if only we would do what's necessary. But we're not doing what's necessary, we never started even discussing it, and I'm starting to doubt that we'll ever do. We're talking only about climate change, but that's only one of the symptoms of the overshoot. Even people @ hacker news mostly don't have a clue. > we can't just ignore the problems We've been ignoring them for 50-70 years. The limits to growth / club of Rome was in 1972? So far ... we did nothing but ignored the problems. We may cross the 1.5C threshold in 5 years. Not in 2050 as previously expected, but in 5 years. And we're still pursuing economic growth. Have you noticed any evidence to the contrary lately? > it's going to be a big challenge, and things may get ugly I recommend few videos for you. I must warn you ... it may hamper your ability to enjoy parties. Collapse: The Only Realistic Scenario - Arthur Keller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc How to Enjoy the End of the World - Dr. B. Sidney Smith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8 Arithmetic, Population and Energy - Dr. Albert A. Bartlett https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8 Why Societies Collapse And What it Means for Us - Joseph A. Tainter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI Revealing the Naked Emperor – Paris, 2° & Carbon Budgets - Kevin Anderson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPEbIEc1n0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPEbIEc1n0s
- mempko 3y ago
  Humans have figured it out many times in history how to live sustainably but keep forgetting. When the Europeans came to the Americas, they found people living sustainably. They thought these people were primitive and have never experienced civilization. Well, it turns out they were the people that remained after civilization collapse and have adapted to live sustainably so they wouldn't repeat what the Europeans created. North and South America had, at some time, cities far larger than any in Europe before those civilizations collapsed. For example, the mound builders along the Mississippi. What's different today is we have now a GLOBAL civilization thanks to globalization. With many of the same features across people's and economies. Humans have never dealt with global risk like we do today.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    The dawn of everything? I loved that book :)
    - mempko 3y ago
      Great book. Everyone needs to read it.
paulddraper 3y ago
Not the first time I've seen a developer advocate for rewrite it all from scratch.