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I think it should be free because of stories like yours. It shouldn't be a requirement to be saddled with debt to participate in society.

bagacrap 3y ago
I agree it should cost less, but I don't understand why everyone seems to think the government (taxpayers) should be paying these tuitions. The problem is that tuition is ridiculous.
- hollandheese 3y ago
  You do understand that the state won’t be paying individual tuition to state-run universities. They’ll just fund their actual operations.
  - bagacrap 3y ago
    No, that's not clear. I'm sure the state (and other) universities would say that tuition already funds "actual operations". What guidelines do bureaucrats inflict on universities to ensure there are no fake operations sucking up funds? Can you point me to the specific state funding proposals you're talking about?
slt2021 3y ago
Problem with free tuitition is it only incentivizes cash grab from educational institutions. There will be gazillion universities overnight similar to coding bootcamps - all competing for state funded tuition without any regard to quality
- andrekandre 3y ago
  > Problem with free tuitition is it only incentivizes cash grab from educational institutions. that assumes that private schools would be the beneficiaries no? my understanding is that "free college" usually applies to public institutions (state college/universities)...?
  - slt2021 3y ago
    State bureaucrats will rush and charter gazillion piss poor grade universities to “meet increased demand” - what difference that would make? Problem is with American University itself, its overbloated mandate, abysmal efficiency, and dysfunctional bureacracy that has very little to do with actual education and its outcomes
    - andrekandre 3y ago
      > Problem is with American University itself, its overbloated mandate, abysmal efficiency, and dysfunctional bureacracy that has very little to do with actual education and its outcomes was it always like this though? from what i've heard it didn't always used to be like that....
- hollandheese 3y ago
  States don’t pay the tuition for private K-12 students and they won’t pay the tuition for private colleges.
  - slt2021 3y ago
    Nor compare the quality of average public school with average private school? The difference is day and night, especially in academics. Public schools became sort of free daycare. I fear public universities will become something like that plus job program for bureacrats unemployable anywhere else (just like with any state government)

bagacrap 3y ago

I agree it should cost less, but I don't understand why everyone seems to think the government (taxpayers) should be paying these tuitions. The problem is that tuition is ridiculous.

hollandheese 3y ago
You do understand that the state won’t be paying individual tuition to state-run universities. They’ll just fund their actual operations.
- bagacrap 3y ago
  No, that's not clear. I'm sure the state (and other) universities would say that tuition already funds "actual operations". What guidelines do bureaucrats inflict on universities to ensure there are no fake operations sucking up funds? Can you point me to the specific state funding proposals you're talking about?

slt2021 3y ago

Problem with free tuitition is it only incentivizes cash grab from educational institutions. There will be gazillion universities overnight similar to coding bootcamps - all competing for state funded tuition without any regard to quality

andrekandre 3y ago
> Problem with free tuitition is it only incentivizes cash grab from educational institutions. that assumes that private schools would be the beneficiaries no? my understanding is that "free college" usually applies to public institutions (state college/universities)...?
- slt2021 3y ago
  State bureaucrats will rush and charter gazillion piss poor grade universities to “meet increased demand” - what difference that would make? Problem is with American University itself, its overbloated mandate, abysmal efficiency, and dysfunctional bureacracy that has very little to do with actual education and its outcomes
  - andrekandre 3y ago
    > Problem is with American University itself, its overbloated mandate, abysmal efficiency, and dysfunctional bureacracy that has very little to do with actual education and its outcomes was it always like this though? from what i've heard it didn't always used to be like that....
hollandheese 3y ago
States don’t pay the tuition for private K-12 students and they won’t pay the tuition for private colleges.
- slt2021 3y ago
  Nor compare the quality of average public school with average private school? The difference is day and night, especially in academics. Public schools became sort of free daycare. I fear public universities will become something like that plus job program for bureacrats unemployable anywhere else (just like with any state government)