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>Having 72 million people in New York would be nuts for many reasons. It depends on your perspective; it's not unheard of to portray the whole swath from Bosto

by vba616 3y ago

>Having 72 million people in New York would be nuts for many reasons. It depends on your perspective; it's not unheard of to portray the whole swath from Boston to DC as one gigantic metro area of 50+ million people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis On a different note, when I think of people being fascinated with the idea of no zoning, I think of Houston, Texas. And yet, when I think of The Atlantic or its avid readers, I do not think of people who find Houston, Texas an appealing model.

ta132313239 3y ago
Home. Home was BAMA, the Sprawl, the Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Axis. chapter "Three", Neuromancer by William Gibson
mikem170 3y ago
This article [0] describes how Houston has lots of land-use regulations, they just try to avoid calling it by the word "zoning". They enforce deed restrictions saying what can be built where. There's density policies based on location. There's tax reinvestment zones. Much of the metro area is covered by federal airport zoning regulations. There's buffering rules limit building heights, setbacks, and construction styles. There's historic preservation rules. There's rules covering lot sizes. There's also regulations on parking space requirements [1]. Houston seem to have most of the same rules incentivizing the same kind of development seen in most other cities in the U.S., and they look like most other cities in the U.S. Are they really doing anything different? I would agree that most people who complain about the prevailing zoning rules in the U.S. don't want the kind of rules that development in Houston has to abide by, either. [0] https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/forget-what-youve-heard-houston-really-does-have-zoning-sort https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/forget-what-youve-heard-ho... [1] https://www.munistandards.com/texas/houston/parking-requirements/ https://www.munistandards.com/texas/houston/parking-requirem...
- vba616 3y ago
  I believe you when you say Houston regulates land use in many ways, and that it's not necessarily a model; but I don't believe it's the same as everywhere else. I don't know much about either Houston or zoning, overall, but I have been there many years ago, to some degree because I was interested in the consequences of libertarian policies, and from what I saw, there was more intermingling of different types of property use than I'm used to seeing in the eastern US. Of course, since I didn't stay there, I am hardly about to evangelize for any of their policies for other cities. I remember when someone asked why I came to their "shitty city", and at another time, putting a bag of fast food down on a table in a cheap motel and their being almost like a tidal wave of roaches in seconds. (Although in fairness the exterminators might have been coincidentally clearing another part of the building at that instant and that could've been what drove them rather than smelling food)
  - mikem170 3y ago
    > more intermingling of different types of property use than I'm used to seeing in the eastern US My experience in Houston was miles of big box stores lining the service roads parallel to I-10, and miles of single-family single-use housing development communities in south Houston. Retail was quite separate from housing, miles away, and traffic could be horrible. The occasional gas station and small plaza with a nail salon and maybe a chinese restaurant was the only thing in between. I feel sorry for the friends I had who grew up there - too far away from anything to walk or bike to, playing in a drainage creek for lack of anything else nearby. Maybe older parts of the city are different? I don't agree with the libertarians if their goal is to allow large developers to profit by building cheap neighborhoods on the outskirts of town and impose restrictions limiting what people who live there can do and build. No apartments can be built on the lot you own, no ADUs, no starter houses, no corner cafes or pubs to socialize at, no other retail areas in the community. Nothing but single family homes, and rules on what kind of lawn and bushes are allowed. Maybe this is libertarianism for large developers only? I grew up in a rust belt city in the north east, and within a few city blocks were two streets full of retail - small supermarkets, drug stores, barbers, a bakery, dry cleaner, dentists and doctors, a library, music shop, a hardware store, pizza places, churches, bus routes to the rest of the city, etc. The pattern I've noticed is that "they don't build them like the used to". Pre-WW2 neighborhoods were not built with the assumption that everyone had cars, so they were more dense and could support businesses within walking distance. For the past several decades single-family HOAs have become popular, where a large developer buys cheap land on the outskirts of town and sells large tracts of cookie cutter housing to the public. Zoning policies make it more difficult for anyone trying to do anything different, and difficult for anyone who is not a large developer. I like the way Japan does zoning. They have separate industrial and commercial areas, but allow triplexes and low-impact retail everywhere in place of single family housing.

by vba616 3y ago

ta132313239 3y ago

Home. Home was BAMA, the Sprawl, the Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Axis. chapter "Three", Neuromancer by William Gibson

mikem170 3y ago

This article [0] describes how Houston has lots of land-use regulations, they just try to avoid calling it by the word "zoning". They enforce deed restrictions saying what can be built where. There's density policies based on location. There's tax reinvestment zones. Much of the metro area is covered by federal airport zoning regulations. There's buffering rules limit building heights, setbacks, and construction styles. There's historic preservation rules. There's rules covering lot sizes. There's also regulations on parking space requirements [1]. Houston seem to have most of the same rules incentivizing the same kind of development seen in most other cities in the U.S., and they look like most other cities in the U.S. Are they really doing anything different? I would agree that most people who complain about the prevailing zoning rules in the U.S. don't want the kind of rules that development in Houston has to abide by, either. [0] https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/forget-what-youve-heard-houston-really-does-have-zoning-sort https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/forget-what-youve-heard-ho... [1] https://www.munistandards.com/texas/houston/parking-requirements/ https://www.munistandards.com/texas/houston/parking-requirem...

vba616 3y ago
I believe you when you say Houston regulates land use in many ways, and that it's not necessarily a model; but I don't believe it's the same as everywhere else. I don't know much about either Houston or zoning, overall, but I have been there many years ago, to some degree because I was interested in the consequences of libertarian policies, and from what I saw, there was more intermingling of different types of property use than I'm used to seeing in the eastern US. Of course, since I didn't stay there, I am hardly about to evangelize for any of their policies for other cities. I remember when someone asked why I came to their "shitty city", and at another time, putting a bag of fast food down on a table in a cheap motel and their being almost like a tidal wave of roaches in seconds. (Although in fairness the exterminators might have been coincidentally clearing another part of the building at that instant and that could've been what drove them rather than smelling food)
- mikem170 3y ago
  > more intermingling of different types of property use than I'm used to seeing in the eastern US My experience in Houston was miles of big box stores lining the service roads parallel to I-10, and miles of single-family single-use housing development communities in south Houston. Retail was quite separate from housing, miles away, and traffic could be horrible. The occasional gas station and small plaza with a nail salon and maybe a chinese restaurant was the only thing in between. I feel sorry for the friends I had who grew up there - too far away from anything to walk or bike to, playing in a drainage creek for lack of anything else nearby. Maybe older parts of the city are different? I don't agree with the libertarians if their goal is to allow large developers to profit by building cheap neighborhoods on the outskirts of town and impose restrictions limiting what people who live there can do and build. No apartments can be built on the lot you own, no ADUs, no starter houses, no corner cafes or pubs to socialize at, no other retail areas in the community. Nothing but single family homes, and rules on what kind of lawn and bushes are allowed. Maybe this is libertarianism for large developers only? I grew up in a rust belt city in the north east, and within a few city blocks were two streets full of retail - small supermarkets, drug stores, barbers, a bakery, dry cleaner, dentists and doctors, a library, music shop, a hardware store, pizza places, churches, bus routes to the rest of the city, etc. The pattern I've noticed is that "they don't build them like the used to". Pre-WW2 neighborhoods were not built with the assumption that everyone had cars, so they were more dense and could support businesses within walking distance. For the past several decades single-family HOAs have become popular, where a large developer buys cheap land on the outskirts of town and sells large tracts of cookie cutter housing to the public. Zoning policies make it more difficult for anyone trying to do anything different, and difficult for anyone who is not a large developer. I like the way Japan does zoning. They have separate industrial and commercial areas, but allow triplexes and low-impact retail everywhere in place of single family housing.