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> Looking at the scale of NordVPN they either already have a liason with aurhorities inside, or are hacked by authorities. Based on what? You just seem to be
by chollida1 3y ago
> Looking at the scale of NordVPN they either already have a liason with aurhorities inside, or are hacked by authorities.
Based on what? You just seem to be making a wild unsubstantiated conjecture here.
- tarboreus 3y agoIt's obviously an unsubstantiated statement, but given all the concrete information on the MOs of alphabet agencies, it seems like a reasonable bet. If they haven't done one of those things, they probably just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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- lazide 3y agoFrankly, they’d have to be criminally incompetent or negligent considering all the things we know for sure they’ve done.
- KeplerBoy 3y agoIt's the perfect honeypot situation, isn't it?
- foobiekr 3y agoWatering hole.
- Nanana909 3y agoIs it that wild? There are a few questions we have to ask 1. Do these agencies have the motivation to do the above? I think the answer here is an obvious yes to everyone 2. Do these agencies have the technical ability to hack the VPNs, the finances to pay them for access, or some other reasonable measure to coerce compliance? If 1 and 2 are both true, then the OP claim is also certainly true. Given that 1 is true, I don’t think it’s “wild” to claim that these agencies cannot satisfy 2. In fact I’d say given the historical record, the more wild claim is that the CIA/NSA etc is incapable of satisfying #2.
- michaelmrose 3y agoIt's a crime. Maintaining continual access to every major vpn provider increases the probability of getting caught breaking the law towards one while continually risking the methods required to acquire such access each time your implant is discovered. If you are using unknown exploits not passed on to relevant software projects each discovery further risks said exploit being discovered then used against us individuals and enterprise. It is a potentially very high cost for mediocre gain as criminals can turn to more secure methods leaving you with a lot of data on whose hiding piracy from their ISP but little of actual value. Meanwhile you can direct attack targets any other ways when they are likely to have actual intelligence instead of hoping they log into nord VPN. In brief speculation is incredibly likely to be based on bad logic and should probably attend more to actual know. Eg most people aren't important enough to directly target. Uncle Sam probably knows the entire contents of your Gmail but not what you do via nord VPN. At such time as you become an international drug lord your privacy is likely to fall apart when Sam starts serving providers who do business with you.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago> continual access to every major vpn provider increases the probability of getting caught Could you point out one example where CIA/NSA faced any real consequences after being caught doing something shady?
- michaelmrose 3y agoCan you please provide examples where they maintained continual access via hacking legal operations instead of serving entities with paperwork?
- oefnak 3y agoThe Snowden leaks?
- slowmotiony 3y agoThe Interpol literally took over a darknet market (Dream) using stolen admin credentials and continued to run the site for months to gather intelligence on vendors and buyers. Not the same thing but if LE is willing to operate a major illegal drug trafficking operation then surely hacking a few VPN companies doesn't seem impossible.
- fomine3 3y agoIt's a wild take but the US did the wild operation for big techs (Prism)
- snypher 3y agoRoom 641A https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A No door handle!
- indigo945 3y agoRoom 641A is located in the SBC Communications building at 611 Folsom Street, San Francisco, three floors of which were occupied by AT&T before SBC purchased AT&T. The room was referred to in internal AT&T documents as the SG3 [Study Group 3] Secure Room. The room measures about 24 by 48 feet (7.3 by 14.6 m) and contains several racks of equipment [...]. The oddly detailed description along with the badly lit photo makes this read like an SCP entry.
- LeBit 3y agoThis thread is a bullshitters playground.