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Users want to be able to use their existing identity providers. At a minimum it's a red flag for consumers if you don't give them the option to sign in with Goo

Users want to be able to use their existing identity providers. At a minimum it's a red flag for consumers if you don't give them the option to sign in with Google, etc. - and it's simply a deal breaker for many enterprise customers if you can't integrate with their IDP. I wish implementing auth wasn't so complicated now, but the idea that we can just decide to make it so by doing it another way is a fantasy. That ship has sailed.

dleeftink 3y ago
My hunch is that this would ring true among some user segments, but would love to see the research on this (both in day-to-day and corporate contexts). From personal experience and those of family members, I'd say we maintain many accounts leftover from bespoke sign-in processes and one-off services. That hasn't turned us from signing-up for these services, in spite of cumbersome onboarding (it's just one of those unfortunate 'hidden costs' of the web). I say this, because we recently went through the trouble of deactivating many of those accounts that were no longer in use. Although the ship may have sailed for alternatives, it will be some time before legacy sign-ons will have been phased out, if at all.
- marcus_holmes 3y ago
  I'm in the process of finding the things that I used my Google login for and moving them back to "legacy" logins with my email. Part of the process of de-Googling my life.
  - dleeftink 3y ago
    How's your experience been so far? Have you substituted some services completely?
    - marcus_holmes 3y ago
      Gmail is the bugger to get rid of. I need a backup email for my FastMail account, but I don't want to pay for two accounts when I'm only ever going to use the second one as the backup (and the obvious hack of creating a second alias for the FastMail account is equally obviously bound to fail). Drive is still useful sometimes, mostly because my wife is addicted to it, but for a lot of the stuff I was using this for, I now use my Remarkable (and their SaaS). Photos is one of those where I debate the usefulness of any of it. 99% of my photos are shite and not worth saving. The 1% that are, I need to curate a lot more than I do, and the curation is the problem not the storage. Ideally I'd like 2 buttons on the camera, one for "take this photo and delete it in 24 hours" and the other "take this photo and add it to my long-term storage with $this tag" Getting third parties off Google login and on to email/password (using a paid password manager) was pretty simple, though I still find occasional sites that are just "welcome back <gmail address>!" and I have to work out how to get that changed. Haven't had any huge problems with that so far, apart from the usual "change email address, try to login again, get wrong password, reset password, 745395739 captcha attempts, generate password in password manager, save new password, login successful finally" dance.

dleeftink 3y ago

My hunch is that this would ring true among some user segments, but would love to see the research on this (both in day-to-day and corporate contexts). From personal experience and those of family members, I'd say we maintain many accounts leftover from bespoke sign-in processes and one-off services. That hasn't turned us from signing-up for these services, in spite of cumbersome onboarding (it's just one of those unfortunate 'hidden costs' of the web). I say this, because we recently went through the trouble of deactivating many of those accounts that were no longer in use. Although the ship may have sailed for alternatives, it will be some time before legacy sign-ons will have been phased out, if at all.

marcus_holmes 3y ago
I'm in the process of finding the things that I used my Google login for and moving them back to "legacy" logins with my email. Part of the process of de-Googling my life.
- dleeftink 3y ago
  How's your experience been so far? Have you substituted some services completely?
  - marcus_holmes 3y ago
    Gmail is the bugger to get rid of. I need a backup email for my FastMail account, but I don't want to pay for two accounts when I'm only ever going to use the second one as the backup (and the obvious hack of creating a second alias for the FastMail account is equally obviously bound to fail). Drive is still useful sometimes, mostly because my wife is addicted to it, but for a lot of the stuff I was using this for, I now use my Remarkable (and their SaaS). Photos is one of those where I debate the usefulness of any of it. 99% of my photos are shite and not worth saving. The 1% that are, I need to curate a lot more than I do, and the curation is the problem not the storage. Ideally I'd like 2 buttons on the camera, one for "take this photo and delete it in 24 hours" and the other "take this photo and add it to my long-term storage with $this tag" Getting third parties off Google login and on to email/password (using a paid password manager) was pretty simple, though I still find occasional sites that are just "welcome back <gmail address>!" and I have to work out how to get that changed. Haven't had any huge problems with that so far, apart from the usual "change email address, try to login again, get wrong password, reset password, 745395739 captcha attempts, generate password in password manager, save new password, login successful finally" dance.