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"especially when we offend" This is a fundamental premise of freedom of speech and a large reason as to why it exists. For some reason your comment was flagge
by Ms-J 3y ago
"especially when we offend"
This is a fundamental premise of freedom of speech and a large reason as to why it exists.
For some reason your comment was flagged, I vouched and voted it up.
- hotdogscout 3y agoThank you! This happens way too often here, thoughtful arguments being flagged because a few with enough karma believe socialist ideals are mandatory.
- sudosysgen 3y agoI don't find that comment objectionable because it is in favour of freedom of speech, I find it objectionable because it pretends someone with multiple credible allegations of rape and associates who admit to using violence to incite women into sex crimes, who admitted to running illegal casinos and who says he moved to Romania because he doesn't have to follow the law is only in legal trouble because people disagree with his ideas and has done nothing illegal that would warrant charges.
- Ensorceled 3y ago>> "especially when we offend" > This is a fundamental premise of freedom of speech and a large reason as to why it exists. I cringe whenever somebody makes this point. Offensive speech isn't even in the top 10 reasons to support free speech. It isn't a reason at all. Tolerating offensive speech is something we have to do to make free speech work, it's one of the "cons" not the "pros".
- hotdogscout 3y agoIf speech is not offensive it wouldn't be suppressed therefore making the right to free speech irrelevant. You're free to say you like pickles over carrots in Saudi Arabia. Offensive doesn't necessarily mean demeaning of human rights.
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- jakelazaroff 3y agoThat could not be further from the truth. There’s plenty of offensive speech that isn’t suppressed (personal insults, porn/other things that used to be considered “obscene”) and there’s plenty of inoffensive speech that is (spam, sometimes defamation).
- hotdogscout 3y agoNo speech is suppressed where free speech is valued as a right, probably your case. You would find that porn and personal insults are not legal in many parts of the world. The Chinese government has adopted a zero-tolerance policy toward so-called sexual content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_China To them it is offensive therefore illegal. Again, protecting offensive speech is the point behind free speech as a human right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech I don't know how those examples relate to my point. "protecting offensive speech is the point behind free speech as a human right."
- jakelazaroff 3y agoYou said: > If speech is not offensive it wouldn't be suppressed My point is that's not true, and it's trivial to find counterexamples. I listed a few in my comment.
- hotdogscout 3y agoDefamation is offensive, Spam is not suppressed speech(?).
- jakelazaroff 3y agoYou can defame a corporation, in which case there’s no one to take offense. As for spam: look up the long list of rules in the CAN-SPAM act, for example.