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By the time your battery needs replacement it will cost a fraction of what it costs today. Battery prices have been falling fast as the volume production of the

By the time your battery needs replacement it will cost a fraction of what it costs today. Battery prices have been falling fast as the volume production of these batteries have scaled up.

_hypx 3y ago
There has been no evidence of this, not to mention people just get cars with even bigger batteries. It is likely to always be an expensive replacement problem.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
  How many times an ICE has its engine replaced on average? The capacity retention of a Tesla battery from a decade ago plateau at 88% after 200,000 miles. That's for nickel-based battery, and most OEMs are switching to iron-based (LFP) which degrade even less. I bet that zero EV will have to replace their battery in the near future.
  - _hypx 3y ago
    ICEs can be fixed. It's pretty rare to have a truly dead ICE. For non-luxury cars, even a replacement is no big deal. Zero is a pretty low number. A lot of them will have to be replaced. Especially for commercial vehicles where they often drive 100k miles every year.
- pornel 3y ago
  This has already happened with Nissan Leaf. It debuted with 24kWh, and now you get 40kWh for the same price, and there's 60kWh option.
tooltalk 3y ago
>> By the time your battery needs replacement it will cost a fraction of what it costs today<< There is absolutely no guarantee that it would be the case. The cost of batteries is largely determined by raw materials such as lithium, nickel, etc, and the demand for those minerals will exceed that of supply for some foreseeable time -- at least not until 2030. >> Battery prices have been falling fast as the volume production of these batteries have scaled up.<< Yeah, that's only if you get a brand different battery with improved energy density and chemistry. Your EV is stuck with the same old efficient and expensive batteries from the date/year of purchase.

By the time your battery needs replacement it will cost a fraction of what it costs today. Battery prices have been falling fast as the volume production of these batteries have scaled up.

_hypx 3y ago

There has been no evidence of this, not to mention people just get cars with even bigger batteries. It is likely to always be an expensive replacement problem.

rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
How many times an ICE has its engine replaced on average? The capacity retention of a Tesla battery from a decade ago plateau at 88% after 200,000 miles. That's for nickel-based battery, and most OEMs are switching to iron-based (LFP) which degrade even less. I bet that zero EV will have to replace their battery in the near future.
- _hypx 3y ago
  ICEs can be fixed. It's pretty rare to have a truly dead ICE. For non-luxury cars, even a replacement is no big deal. Zero is a pretty low number. A lot of them will have to be replaced. Especially for commercial vehicles where they often drive 100k miles every year.
pornel 3y ago
This has already happened with Nissan Leaf. It debuted with 24kWh, and now you get 40kWh for the same price, and there's 60kWh option.

tooltalk 3y ago

>> By the time your battery needs replacement it will cost a fraction of what it costs today<< There is absolutely no guarantee that it would be the case. The cost of batteries is largely determined by raw materials such as lithium, nickel, etc, and the demand for those minerals will exceed that of supply for some foreseeable time -- at least not until 2030. >> Battery prices have been falling fast as the volume production of these batteries have scaled up.<< Yeah, that's only if you get a brand different battery with improved energy density and chemistry. Your EV is stuck with the same old efficient and expensive batteries from the date/year of purchase.