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Corruption is also common practice within the EU (see: Eva Kaili), most of the upper EU just hides it better while pointing fingers at "unaligned" states, insid

Corruption is also common practice within the EU (see: Eva Kaili), most of the upper EU just hides it better while pointing fingers at "unaligned" states, inside and outside of the EU. If Von der Leyen wasn’t corrupt, I’m sure she wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts.

worrycue 3y ago
> If Von der Leyen wasn’t corrupt, I’m sure she wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts. Haven’t found much on this. Frankly there is no need to allege corruption against this particular EU politician when there are better examples like those involved with the Qatar scandal.
chewz 3y ago
> If Von der Leyen wasn’t corrupt, I’m sure she wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts. Are you talking about Pfizer related text messages or earlier German MoD/McKinsey text messages?
mvanbaak 3y ago
> wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts This is the same non-reason as is being brought up with cameras filming you 24/7 etc. 'You dont have to worry if you have nothing to hide' ... It's an invasion of privacy, and it is worth fighting against that.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Being forced to share correspondence related to your job as a public official seems different to exposing your entire life to a camera.
- brightlancer 3y ago
  Was she acting as a private individual or as a government official? Government has ZERO right to privacy; government agents in their capacity have ZERO right to privacy. If a government agent uses a private account to do government business, then a) they should be fired/ removed and charged for trying to hide that business and b) those accounts should be turned over to the government, redacted of anything not related to the government business, and everything else made public. A private individual has a right to privacy. Government, including anyone acting as its agent, do not.
- yunohn 3y ago
  This is an absurd argument. We’re talking about texts between the EU President and Pfizer’s CEO, not some randos. https://www.politico.eu/article/new-york-times-sue-european-union-ursula-von-der-leyen-pfizer-texts/ https://www.politico.eu/article/new-york-times-sue-european-...
- logifail 3y ago
  > It's an invasion of privacy, and it is worth fighting against that VdL should have a private phone and a work phone, just like everyone else. If these work messages are from her work phone, she should hand them over. If they are work messages on her private phone, she should also hand them over. She simply cannot claim to have been having non-work conversations with anyone at Pfizer.
  - mvanbaak 3y ago
    I have non-work conversations with staff and coworkers at work all the time, and also work related conversations on private channels from time to time. The world is not as black-and-white as you think it is.

worrycue 3y ago

> If Von der Leyen wasn’t corrupt, I’m sure she wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts. Haven’t found much on this. Frankly there is no need to allege corruption against this particular EU politician when there are better examples like those involved with the Qatar scandal.

chewz 3y ago

> If Von der Leyen wasn’t corrupt, I’m sure she wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts. Are you talking about Pfizer related text messages or earlier German MoD/McKinsey text messages?

mvanbaak 3y ago

> wouldn’t have any problem handing over her texts This is the same non-reason as is being brought up with cameras filming you 24/7 etc. 'You dont have to worry if you have nothing to hide' ... It's an invasion of privacy, and it is worth fighting against that.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
Being forced to share correspondence related to your job as a public official seems different to exposing your entire life to a camera.
brightlancer 3y ago
Was she acting as a private individual or as a government official? Government has ZERO right to privacy; government agents in their capacity have ZERO right to privacy. If a government agent uses a private account to do government business, then a) they should be fired/ removed and charged for trying to hide that business and b) those accounts should be turned over to the government, redacted of anything not related to the government business, and everything else made public. A private individual has a right to privacy. Government, including anyone acting as its agent, do not.
yunohn 3y ago
This is an absurd argument. We’re talking about texts between the EU President and Pfizer’s CEO, not some randos. https://www.politico.eu/article/new-york-times-sue-european-union-ursula-von-der-leyen-pfizer-texts/ https://www.politico.eu/article/new-york-times-sue-european-...
logifail 3y ago
> It's an invasion of privacy, and it is worth fighting against that VdL should have a private phone and a work phone, just like everyone else. If these work messages are from her work phone, she should hand them over. If they are work messages on her private phone, she should also hand them over. She simply cannot claim to have been having non-work conversations with anyone at Pfizer.
- mvanbaak 3y ago
  I have non-work conversations with staff and coworkers at work all the time, and also work related conversations on private channels from time to time. The world is not as black-and-white as you think it is.