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My dad is overweight but genuinely believes/d himself the ideal weight. I went over the chart with him and still he's eating over 2000 cals a day. I asked him

My dad is overweight but genuinely believes/d himself the ideal weight. I went over the chart with him and still he's eating over 2000 cals a day. I asked him how many calories he thought someone needs for a day and he said 6000.... and he calls himself a "foodie", refusing to wat "mass produced junk" and believss he "knows shit". So someone who supposedly has an interest in food is that misinformed and negligent .. let that sink in. People are monkeys with a tendency to wilful ignorance when it comes to issues of health vs pleasure.

sverona 3y ago
Of fucking course they are. I can track everything I eat, but most of the time I find myself too stressed to care, let alone to run the numbers in my head. If your life sucks and food is the only thing that gives you any reprieve from anger, anxiety, and depression, I don't think any amount of accuracy or willpower will save you from gaining weight.
- DropInIn 3y ago
  It's not remotely hard to track 1500 minus each item as you go. Restaurants make it even easier by putting it on the menu. Eat a chicken burger at KFC - deduct 600 calories leaving 900 for the day. Self control is the first step to improving QoL. I had allergies to everything for ages, I missed normal food, but despite having severe spinal injuries, clinical anxiety and major depression, living in abject poverty after those combined to result in repeated job losses, I am still in full control of my diet and maintain the same weight +-5 lbs rather than falling to gluttony in desperation to enjoy what i missed out on for two decades ... Most of yall have no clue what actual suffering is, which is what you're trying to say justifies lack of self control. Just control yourself, or never expect anyone to control themselves in any fashion and accept when someone like me decides they've had enough of the bs and loses control in other ways, right? (Bit of a rant there, but really, you have zero clue. I literally had to live on white sugar for 3/4s of my calories for a decade because of dietary restrictions... you think it's not magnitudes harder to ensure a proper volume of consumption when you're living on freaking sugar water?)
  - sverona 3y ago
    It absolutely isn't. I agree with you. I have issues coping with my emotions. That's the problem, not tracking. I am acutely aware that I eat far, far past the point of satiety until it physically hurts at least once a week, and yet I still do it. I don't have any other functional coping mechanisms. You can say "self-control" but what you mean is self-control 24/7, or at least 24/6. I don't have infinite willpower.
    - DropInIn 3y ago
      Self control is not about having Temporary Control, it's about being in (reasonably) full control of yourself. You see, this is a difference between "complete" people and people who haven't actually finished "developing" (which is the vast majority even at 80). Control is a constant, not a transient, trait.
      - sverona 3y ago
        I don't think "complete" is the right word to use. Perhaps "whole." It seems to me that what you're describing as "development" is in many cases the process of healing from trauma, which indeed stunts one's development. The emotional mechanism at play in my case is pretty clear to me but healing is a slow process and it takes as long as it takes.

sverona 3y ago

Of fucking course they are. I can track everything I eat, but most of the time I find myself too stressed to care, let alone to run the numbers in my head. If your life sucks and food is the only thing that gives you any reprieve from anger, anxiety, and depression, I don't think any amount of accuracy or willpower will save you from gaining weight.

DropInIn 3y ago
It's not remotely hard to track 1500 minus each item as you go. Restaurants make it even easier by putting it on the menu. Eat a chicken burger at KFC - deduct 600 calories leaving 900 for the day. Self control is the first step to improving QoL. I had allergies to everything for ages, I missed normal food, but despite having severe spinal injuries, clinical anxiety and major depression, living in abject poverty after those combined to result in repeated job losses, I am still in full control of my diet and maintain the same weight +-5 lbs rather than falling to gluttony in desperation to enjoy what i missed out on for two decades ... Most of yall have no clue what actual suffering is, which is what you're trying to say justifies lack of self control. Just control yourself, or never expect anyone to control themselves in any fashion and accept when someone like me decides they've had enough of the bs and loses control in other ways, right? (Bit of a rant there, but really, you have zero clue. I literally had to live on white sugar for 3/4s of my calories for a decade because of dietary restrictions... you think it's not magnitudes harder to ensure a proper volume of consumption when you're living on freaking sugar water?)
- sverona 3y ago
  It absolutely isn't. I agree with you. I have issues coping with my emotions. That's the problem, not tracking. I am acutely aware that I eat far, far past the point of satiety until it physically hurts at least once a week, and yet I still do it. I don't have any other functional coping mechanisms. You can say "self-control" but what you mean is self-control 24/7, or at least 24/6. I don't have infinite willpower.
  - DropInIn 3y ago
    Self control is not about having Temporary Control, it's about being in (reasonably) full control of yourself. You see, this is a difference between "complete" people and people who haven't actually finished "developing" (which is the vast majority even at 80). Control is a constant, not a transient, trait.
    - sverona 3y ago
      I don't think "complete" is the right word to use. Perhaps "whole." It seems to me that what you're describing as "development" is in many cases the process of healing from trauma, which indeed stunts one's development. The emotional mechanism at play in my case is pretty clear to me but healing is a slow process and it takes as long as it takes.