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Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Remember how we phased out ivory for

by EGreg 3y ago

Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Remember how we phased out ivory for piano keys, and other poaching? With diamonds, there is still a push to source “the real thing” kept alive by De Beers, and other cartels like that. But for a lot of poaching, we found replacements. I think that’s how plastic got started too btw! Also PETA has approved fake lab-grown meat, perhaps it can reduce demand for torturing so many animals in factory farms. PS: Japan has a culture of infantile hentai or something in its animation - which may alleviate a lot of demand for actual cp — how much cp is in Japan? (There seems to be a lot of unusual/unnatural sexual norms in Japan… from Hikkikomori to dating vending machines to total celibacy for a large proportion of the population.) https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/11/japan-child-pornography https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/11/japan-child-po...

tenpies 3y ago
> generative AI can help solve cp On a side note, there was a very good film about this last year called The Artifice Girl. Think indie, very theatrical with only three settings and three very clear acts, but thought-provoking and with some unstated implications. I would recommend watching it without checking IMDB or any review site first.
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haakon 3y ago
Generated CSAM is equally illegal as "real" CSAM in many countries, such as Norway. Here, even fictional descriptions of such material in written form is illegal.
- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  this is possibly because generated CSAM may look like no real human child nor resemble any human child in particular today. give it 5 years and physical distinction from real children and even a specific child is likely to happen. so a photo perfect likeness of your kid ends up in some disgusting video and the creators get off the hook because it's 'not real' by say a narrow color gradiation or kinematic similarity standard undetectable to human eyes? no thanks.
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    That isn't really much of an issue, some places count material intended to resemble a real child or derived from CSAM (etc a drawing referenced from real CSAM) as still being illegal. That would handily cover the situation you've mentioned. In those cases, for fictional CSAM to be legal, it has to be completely fictional such that any resemblances can be shown to be completely coincidence.
- anthk 3y ago
  Even Lolita from Nabokov? Because that book depicted that as joking about the reader and on male society in general, as there was no actual erotism on anything but the narrator's "mind"/protagonist. Similar on how people got Starship Troopers wrong. Is not about cheering fascism, but to ridicule it.
  - haakon 3y ago
    Lolita is covered by an exception for art. I doubt such a book could be written in Norway today, but you can't really ban historical literature.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      >but you can't really ban historical literature. I know what you mean. But at the same time society bans historical literature constantly.
  - cooldrcool3 3y ago
    Have you actually read Starship Troopers? It isn’t exactly ridiculing facism.
    - jowea 3y ago
      I believe he is referring to the more widely known movie.
  - brightlancer 3y ago
    In both the book and the film Starship Troopers: * persons can choose whether or not to do government service * Rico's parents are quite rich even though neither are citizens * the Moral Philosophy class tries to _discourage_ individuals from government service * the instructor for Moral Philosophy explicitly tries to get the students to think for themselves In the book but not the film: * the only benefit of government service is the right to vote * only veterans (i.e. no active service members) can vote All of these (and more) are contrary to fascism. The book is not fascist. Verhoeven never read the book and didn't satirize fascism -- he satirized a _caricature_ of fascism.
throw0101a 3y ago
> Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Illegal in Canada (even animated/cartoons): * https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-after-animated-images-seized-1.5064948 https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-aft... Edit: fictional material seems to be illegal in quite a lot of countries: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...
- tekla 3y ago
  CP is disgusting and everything, but I'm kinda weirded out about thought crime. If no harm is being done, not even indirectly to anyone else, why is it a crime? It's not illegal to write a fanfic that you keep to yourself about all the weird ways that you want to torture and kill someone.
  - xigoi 3y ago
    The issue has become so emotionalized that if you say anything that even remotely looks like supporting pedophilia, people will tell you to go kill yourself.
    - pessimizer 3y ago
      They'll do that if you criticize the Barbie movie, or fail to.
      - johnnyanmac 3y ago
        Barbie has always been strangely entwined in the political atmosphere, funnily enough. You become an iconic kids toy and it's inevitable.
    - Tao3300 3y ago
      It seems there's nothing worse than a moderate these days. One extreme thinks I must be a Satanist for not believing in the massive conspiracy to harvest adrenochrome from tortured children, while the other extreme thinks I must be a Nazi for not believing in a trans genocide.

by EGreg 3y ago

tenpies 3y ago

> generative AI can help solve cp On a side note, there was a very good film about this last year called The Artifice Girl. Think indie, very theatrical with only three settings and three very clear acts, but thought-provoking and with some unstated implications. I would recommend watching it without checking IMDB or any review site first.

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haakon 3y ago

Generated CSAM is equally illegal as "real" CSAM in many countries, such as Norway. Here, even fictional descriptions of such material in written form is illegal.

ChainOfFools 3y ago
this is possibly because generated CSAM may look like no real human child nor resemble any human child in particular today. give it 5 years and physical distinction from real children and even a specific child is likely to happen. so a photo perfect likeness of your kid ends up in some disgusting video and the creators get off the hook because it's 'not real' by say a narrow color gradiation or kinematic similarity standard undetectable to human eyes? no thanks.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  That isn't really much of an issue, some places count material intended to resemble a real child or derived from CSAM (etc a drawing referenced from real CSAM) as still being illegal. That would handily cover the situation you've mentioned. In those cases, for fictional CSAM to be legal, it has to be completely fictional such that any resemblances can be shown to be completely coincidence.
anthk 3y ago
Even Lolita from Nabokov? Because that book depicted that as joking about the reader and on male society in general, as there was no actual erotism on anything but the narrator's "mind"/protagonist. Similar on how people got Starship Troopers wrong. Is not about cheering fascism, but to ridicule it.
- haakon 3y ago
  Lolita is covered by an exception for art. I doubt such a book could be written in Norway today, but you can't really ban historical literature.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    >but you can't really ban historical literature. I know what you mean. But at the same time society bans historical literature constantly.
- cooldrcool3 3y ago
  Have you actually read Starship Troopers? It isn’t exactly ridiculing facism.
  - jowea 3y ago
    I believe he is referring to the more widely known movie.
- brightlancer 3y ago
  In both the book and the film Starship Troopers: * persons can choose whether or not to do government service * Rico's parents are quite rich even though neither are citizens * the Moral Philosophy class tries to _discourage_ individuals from government service * the instructor for Moral Philosophy explicitly tries to get the students to think for themselves In the book but not the film: * the only benefit of government service is the right to vote * only veterans (i.e. no active service members) can vote All of these (and more) are contrary to fascism. The book is not fascist. Verhoeven never read the book and didn't satirize fascism -- he satirized a _caricature_ of fascism.

throw0101a 3y ago

> Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Illegal in Canada (even animated/cartoons): * https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-after-animated-images-seized-1.5064948 https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-aft... Edit: fictional material seems to be illegal in quite a lot of countries: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...

tekla 3y ago
CP is disgusting and everything, but I'm kinda weirded out about thought crime. If no harm is being done, not even indirectly to anyone else, why is it a crime? It's not illegal to write a fanfic that you keep to yourself about all the weird ways that you want to torture and kill someone.
- xigoi 3y ago
  The issue has become so emotionalized that if you say anything that even remotely looks like supporting pedophilia, people will tell you to go kill yourself.
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    They'll do that if you criticize the Barbie movie, or fail to.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      Barbie has always been strangely entwined in the political atmosphere, funnily enough. You become an iconic kids toy and it's inevitable.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    It seems there's nothing worse than a moderate these days. One extreme thinks I must be a Satanist for not believing in the massive conspiracy to harvest adrenochrome from tortured children, while the other extreme thinks I must be a Nazi for not believing in a trans genocide.