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Is that by chance a subtle reference to the First Crusade [1]? If that is our ethical foundation then many options would be on the table. [1] - https://en.wik

Is that by chance a subtle reference to the First Crusade [1]? If that is our ethical foundation then many options would be on the table. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade

throwaway6734 3y ago
What's specifically wrong about the first crusade? It was in response to the rise of the seljuk Turks and their advance on the Byzantines and also similar to the Muslim invasions of the middle east, northern africa, southern italy, and spain. That area of the world had changed hands between Rome and Persia for hundreds of years before then as well.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  Ah, the Crusades were good because the Moors invading Europe was good? Or is this another case of "You say what we did was bad, but people who I think are terrible also did the same thing, therefore what we did was actually good!" I guess this adds "also other people did things like that" to it, but are you saying anything here you couldn't also say about slavery or serial killing?
  - throwaway6734 3y ago
    People should be judged relative to their time.
oxymoronic 3y ago
At that time in Christian West, the notion of "Judeo-Christianity" would be considered an oxymoron. But it is possible that the general is question is in fact alluding to that era from ignorance.
- coldtea 3y ago
  Judeo-Christianity here just means Old+New testament. They just didn't use that terminology back then, but the notion was very much the same.
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    So "Judeo-Christianity" in this context is just a euphemism for "Christianity." > What has become known as the People's Crusade passed through Germany and indulged in wide-ranging anti-Jewish activities, including the Rhineland massacres.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      >So "Judeo-Christianity" in this context is just a euphemism for "Christianity." Yes, as it's more often than not used. It's basically "what evolved as Christiatity, through the adoption of Judean-originating ways of belief" (as opposed to pagan ones).
  - agnokapathetic 3y ago
    No. The Notion was not very much the same. Medieval views of the Torah / Old Testament were very much informed by anti-semitism. Medieval crusaders would have balked at the idea that Jewish and Christian values could have any form of harmony.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      You missed the whole point of the comment: "Judeo-Christianity here just means Old+New testament. They just didn't use that terminology back then, but the notion was very much the same". The didn't say "Old+New testament" but it meant exactly that, what scholars for a couple of centuries now refer to as "judeo-christian".

throwaway6734 3y ago

What's specifically wrong about the first crusade? It was in response to the rise of the seljuk Turks and their advance on the Byzantines and also similar to the Muslim invasions of the middle east, northern africa, southern italy, and spain. That area of the world had changed hands between Rome and Persia for hundreds of years before then as well.

pessimizer 3y ago
Ah, the Crusades were good because the Moors invading Europe was good? Or is this another case of "You say what we did was bad, but people who I think are terrible also did the same thing, therefore what we did was actually good!" I guess this adds "also other people did things like that" to it, but are you saying anything here you couldn't also say about slavery or serial killing?
- throwaway6734 3y ago
  People should be judged relative to their time.

oxymoronic 3y ago

At that time in Christian West, the notion of "Judeo-Christianity" would be considered an oxymoron. But it is possible that the general is question is in fact alluding to that era from ignorance.

coldtea 3y ago
Judeo-Christianity here just means Old+New testament. They just didn't use that terminology back then, but the notion was very much the same.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  So "Judeo-Christianity" in this context is just a euphemism for "Christianity." > What has become known as the People's Crusade passed through Germany and indulged in wide-ranging anti-Jewish activities, including the Rhineland massacres.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >So "Judeo-Christianity" in this context is just a euphemism for "Christianity." Yes, as it's more often than not used. It's basically "what evolved as Christiatity, through the adoption of Judean-originating ways of belief" (as opposed to pagan ones).
- agnokapathetic 3y ago
  No. The Notion was not very much the same. Medieval views of the Torah / Old Testament were very much informed by anti-semitism. Medieval crusaders would have balked at the idea that Jewish and Christian values could have any form of harmony.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    You missed the whole point of the comment: "Judeo-Christianity here just means Old+New testament. They just didn't use that terminology back then, but the notion was very much the same". The didn't say "Old+New testament" but it meant exactly that, what scholars for a couple of centuries now refer to as "judeo-christian".