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> It seems employers have two concerns: cost and presenteeism. There's real value in people talking to their coworkers in person and knowing them. There's an o

> It seems employers have two concerns: cost and presenteeism. There's real value in people talking to their coworkers in person and knowing them. There's an obvious cost as well, but let's not pretend there's no value there.

stjohnswarts 3y ago
There is some small value but you can rectify that by working closer together over phone calls and such. It's not nearly worth what middle management says it's work to cover for their need to have everyone in the office to lord over, which is the 99% reason for it.
DrBazza 3y ago
Does that require 50% of my week to be in an office? My current employer has several 'company days' in a year, and we're in an always on (camera optional) Zoom channel. I know my current set of colleagues far better than my previous group which was actually a smaller company where we were in the office 4 days a week.
op00to 3y ago
Is the value quantifiable?
- uolmir 3y ago
  This mistakes quantifiability with ease of measurement.
- acover 3y ago
  Yes, I remember Google studying remote versus in office work well before the pandemic. This isn't the study but it talks on the issue: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07370024.2014.921506 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07370024.2014.92...
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bluefishinit 3y ago
> There's real value in people talking to their coworkers in person and knowing them. I don't think this is true. A certain type of person who enjoys socializing at the office may like this, but a lot of people feel like they have a stronger voice when remote vs being talked over in real life. When you WFH you democratize communication (if you do it right), when you're with people IRL the most domineering people control the conversation and in my experience, productivity greatly suffers vs WFH.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
> There's real value in people talking to their coworkers in person and knowing them. There can also be real toxicity. From intimidation to harassment in-person interactions can be enabling. In addition, in person interaction favors the person who speaks confidently and quickly over those who may be of the type that ponders more. Often in inperson interactions those feedbacks can be drowned out whereas a more collaborative document oriented interaction may bring that kind of feedback out.

stjohnswarts 3y ago

There is some small value but you can rectify that by working closer together over phone calls and such. It's not nearly worth what middle management says it's work to cover for their need to have everyone in the office to lord over, which is the 99% reason for it.

DrBazza 3y ago

Does that require 50% of my week to be in an office? My current employer has several 'company days' in a year, and we're in an always on (camera optional) Zoom channel. I know my current set of colleagues far better than my previous group which was actually a smaller company where we were in the office 4 days a week.

op00to 3y ago

Is the value quantifiable?

uolmir 3y ago
This mistakes quantifiability with ease of measurement.
acover 3y ago
Yes, I remember Google studying remote versus in office work well before the pandemic. This isn't the study but it talks on the issue: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07370024.2014.921506 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07370024.2014.92...
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bluefishinit 3y ago

> There's real value in people talking to their coworkers in person and knowing them. I don't think this is true. A certain type of person who enjoys socializing at the office may like this, but a lot of people feel like they have a stronger voice when remote vs being talked over in real life. When you WFH you democratize communication (if you do it right), when you're with people IRL the most domineering people control the conversation and in my experience, productivity greatly suffers vs WFH.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago

> There's real value in people talking to their coworkers in person and knowing them. There can also be real toxicity. From intimidation to harassment in-person interactions can be enabling. In addition, in person interaction favors the person who speaks confidently and quickly over those who may be of the type that ponders more. Often in inperson interactions those feedbacks can be drowned out whereas a more collaborative document oriented interaction may bring that kind of feedback out.