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Our company is going all-in with outsourcing. Mostly Central/Eastern Europe. Only new employees are juniors or directors and above. The middle is being squeeze
by switch007 3y ago
Our company is going all-in with outsourcing. Mostly Central/Eastern Europe. Only new employees are juniors or directors and above. The middle is being squeezed out massively.
The excuse is always that the company has particular expertise (they really don’t)
- throwaway5959 3y agoI have to wonder how many competent software engineers there are in eastern Europe that aren’t already employed at companies there.
- wonderwonder 3y agoI guess the real question is do they have to be competent if they can hire 3 of them for the price of 1 in the US? Edit: Thought I would add my current experience with this. My company is replacing contracted staff with permanent staff but out of South / Central America. The salaries are pretty much 1/4 of the US salaries. The people I am given to thumbs up / thumbs down (and that's very much what it is) are just ok. A couple are good but the rest are meh. I am allowed to thumbs down maybe 1 out of every 4 before I get push back. So this is very much a real thing where the US engineers are stuck filling in the gaps when the company onboards very cheap but not very good engineers. I am curious to see how this plays out in the long term
- throwaway5959 3y agoI’d rather have one competent software engineer than three incompetent ones. At any price.
- switch007 3y agoThen you aren’t ready to be a CTO at a public company! That long term thinking will get you nowhere!
- throwaway5959 3y agoAnother year of not being a sociopath I suppose.
- wonderwonder 3y agoThis is true for most of us under the c-suite. But for those in the CTO/CFO, etc. role it makes financial sense for them to chop labor costs even if projects take a little longer. It just means the few competent engineers have to work 2x as hard for the same salary. I hate it.
- throwaway5959 3y agoAgreed. There’s only so much you can cut costs. I feel like that’s the only focus for most companies now, not expanding revenue/markets, unfortunately.
- switch007 3y agoOr: does the incompetency only become apparent in 6-12 months, enough time for the CTO to perform another sleight of hand and distract people (or quit and move on)
- Thoeu388 3y agoWorking for US has many advantages, for start they will ask you to work at office. And there is a surplus of Ukrainians with right to work in EU.