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> It must be the full document plaintext and date signed with your private key and should be verifiable with your public key by a court before a claim is even a

> It must be the full document plaintext and date signed with your private key and should be verifiable with your public key by a court before a claim is even approachable. This is called a notary public. Its a routine requirement with immigration documents. .They can also certify copies as true. In UK for sone reason it costs over £100, and noone uses them, but in eastern europe its common and notarising documents is like €5 - they just check you identity

dzhiurgis 3y ago
In New Zealand we've got Justices of Peace (JP's) - it's just some retired lawyers that can notarise your documents. You typically go to their home or they have little popups in public places. Best part - it's free!
- mikrotikker 3y ago
  I don't think it's just retired lawyers. My uncle is a JP and hes a ferry captain. But he did have to so some kind of ceremony at the courts. I think he did it in order to be the family marriage celebrant and whatnot. Some JPs take payment in the form of a box of beer or some small thing like that.
cafard 3y ago
I believe that the states regulate notaries in the US. One in my neighborhood charges $5/document.
ghaff 3y ago
In the US, you usually just go into your bank branch. I'm not sure what the deal is if you don't have a local financial institution/lawyer/etc. (Exec admins are sometimes also notaries.)
- gumby 3y ago
  Or call a mobile notary who will come to you.
- deleted 3y ago
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- Our_Benefactors 3y ago
  Note: in many states, banks must provide notary services to the public. You do not have to be a bank customer. Banks will try to ask you to sign up for an account “so you can make an appointment with the notary”, but you can decline - insist that you just want a document notarized. They may give you the run around saying “the notary isn’t in today”, options here are ask them to tell you which branch you could visit where the notary is available, or what day and time is best that you’ll surely catch the notary. They will be uncomfortable about this pressuring but they are required to provide this service.
  - throwawaymaths 3y ago
    Most UPS stores in the US offer notary services and advertise that they do.
    - vlark 3y ago
      UPS stores charge a fee for notary service. It's around $20 where I am in the Midwest.
      - DANmode 3y ago
        (Comparable to most notary services in the same area, but with more or less hassle depending on your timeline and circumstances.)
        anotheruser13 3y ago
        Many public libraries have notaries on staff.
noodlesUK 3y ago
The UK is weird about this. Generally speaking you wouldn’t actually want to use a notary public, which is (in the UK) a very old profession regulated by the Church of England. Most of the time, you will have a solicitor certify documents. This is much cheaper, and is what is usually used by large organisations who already have engagements with law firms. In Scotland, solicitors are able to get a special smart card to certify and sign documents.
- Tagbert 3y ago
  In the US, notaries are often in law, accounting, banking, and real estate offices and do the notarization for little to no money. No church involved .
- bdavbdav 3y ago
  Solicitor certification of documents is a farce here in the UK. My mortgage company had me have a solicitor certify bank statements etc. I said I didn’t have paper copies. They said printed PDFs would to, and to get the solicitors to certify them. Madness.
- ghaff 3y ago
  In the US, it would probably be the case that someone in the lawyer's office is a notary and/or they're one themselves.
  - tough 3y ago
    In Spain Notaries do their own opositions and it's mostly a protected by state position that earns a lot of cash for signining documents.
ljm 3y ago
Can’t speak for every country in Europe but once you get a national ID or residence permit in some of them then the card will contain a chip with a certificate that can be used for public key crypto. If you need to sign something then you sign it with your ID. Same ID can get you into your accounts online. No different to Estonia’s digital ID scheme a decade ago.
- noodlesUK 3y ago
  The UK and Ireland are uniquely countries in Europe that don’t have any form of national ID card. The UK was going to get (continental) EU style ID cards in 2008-2010 but this proved to be rather controversial at the time due to perceptions of government overreach and dragnet biometrics. Instead of just doing a simple ID card with just facial biometrics (like a passport), the whole project was scrapped. I don’t know why Ireland doesn’t have them but they have derogations from all the EU laws about it, though their passport card is essentially an EU ID card complete with chip.
  - ljm 3y ago
    Yep, from the UK and remember all the fearmongering about ID cards being like a step back towards Nazi Germany and being asked to show your papers on the streets and all that. I think the real reason was that it sounded like it’d cost £60 (or close to that) per ID, which is pretty damn expensive when it’s mandatory. Most of that money would have been sunk into the black hole that is the IT consultancy industry in the UK, with literally no guarantee of a working solution being built.
    - AlecSchueler 3y ago
      I mean, a friend of mine was recently travelling through the Netherlands and asked some police officers for directions, but because he didn't have ID with him he was arrested and put in a cell overnight.
      - ljm 3y ago
        But this story lacks detail so either you can immediately jump to the conclusion that the police in the Netherlands are asking people for ID on the streets when they ask for directions, or you can maybe assume that your friend wasn’t being honest with you and was trying to save face, or something else entirely was going on. Usually when you travel you keep at least one form of ID on you - probably not your passport but a local ID or driving license or something.
inglor_cz 3y ago
Yeah, in Czechia you pay approx. 1,5 eur for a verified signature. Your identity is verified against your national ID or passport. Every post office, every notary and every barrister can do that.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

In New Zealand we've got Justices of Peace (JP's) - it's just some retired lawyers that can notarise your documents. You typically go to their home or they have little popups in public places. Best part - it's free!

mikrotikker 3y ago
I don't think it's just retired lawyers. My uncle is a JP and hes a ferry captain. But he did have to so some kind of ceremony at the courts. I think he did it in order to be the family marriage celebrant and whatnot. Some JPs take payment in the form of a box of beer or some small thing like that.

cafard 3y ago

I believe that the states regulate notaries in the US. One in my neighborhood charges $5/document.

ghaff 3y ago

In the US, you usually just go into your bank branch. I'm not sure what the deal is if you don't have a local financial institution/lawyer/etc. (Exec admins are sometimes also notaries.)

gumby 3y ago
Or call a mobile notary who will come to you.
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Our_Benefactors 3y ago
Note: in many states, banks must provide notary services to the public. You do not have to be a bank customer. Banks will try to ask you to sign up for an account “so you can make an appointment with the notary”, but you can decline - insist that you just want a document notarized. They may give you the run around saying “the notary isn’t in today”, options here are ask them to tell you which branch you could visit where the notary is available, or what day and time is best that you’ll surely catch the notary. They will be uncomfortable about this pressuring but they are required to provide this service.
- throwawaymaths 3y ago
  Most UPS stores in the US offer notary services and advertise that they do.
  - vlark 3y ago
    UPS stores charge a fee for notary service. It's around $20 where I am in the Midwest.
    - DANmode 3y ago
      (Comparable to most notary services in the same area, but with more or less hassle depending on your timeline and circumstances.)
      - anotheruser13 3y ago
        Many public libraries have notaries on staff.

noodlesUK 3y ago

The UK is weird about this. Generally speaking you wouldn’t actually want to use a notary public, which is (in the UK) a very old profession regulated by the Church of England. Most of the time, you will have a solicitor certify documents. This is much cheaper, and is what is usually used by large organisations who already have engagements with law firms. In Scotland, solicitors are able to get a special smart card to certify and sign documents.

Tagbert 3y ago
In the US, notaries are often in law, accounting, banking, and real estate offices and do the notarization for little to no money. No church involved .
bdavbdav 3y ago
Solicitor certification of documents is a farce here in the UK. My mortgage company had me have a solicitor certify bank statements etc. I said I didn’t have paper copies. They said printed PDFs would to, and to get the solicitors to certify them. Madness.
ghaff 3y ago
In the US, it would probably be the case that someone in the lawyer's office is a notary and/or they're one themselves.
- tough 3y ago
  In Spain Notaries do their own opositions and it's mostly a protected by state position that earns a lot of cash for signining documents.

ljm 3y ago

Can’t speak for every country in Europe but once you get a national ID or residence permit in some of them then the card will contain a chip with a certificate that can be used for public key crypto. If you need to sign something then you sign it with your ID. Same ID can get you into your accounts online. No different to Estonia’s digital ID scheme a decade ago.

noodlesUK 3y ago
The UK and Ireland are uniquely countries in Europe that don’t have any form of national ID card. The UK was going to get (continental) EU style ID cards in 2008-2010 but this proved to be rather controversial at the time due to perceptions of government overreach and dragnet biometrics. Instead of just doing a simple ID card with just facial biometrics (like a passport), the whole project was scrapped. I don’t know why Ireland doesn’t have them but they have derogations from all the EU laws about it, though their passport card is essentially an EU ID card complete with chip.
- ljm 3y ago
  Yep, from the UK and remember all the fearmongering about ID cards being like a step back towards Nazi Germany and being asked to show your papers on the streets and all that. I think the real reason was that it sounded like it’d cost £60 (or close to that) per ID, which is pretty damn expensive when it’s mandatory. Most of that money would have been sunk into the black hole that is the IT consultancy industry in the UK, with literally no guarantee of a working solution being built.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    I mean, a friend of mine was recently travelling through the Netherlands and asked some police officers for directions, but because he didn't have ID with him he was arrested and put in a cell overnight.
    - ljm 3y ago
      But this story lacks detail so either you can immediately jump to the conclusion that the police in the Netherlands are asking people for ID on the streets when they ask for directions, or you can maybe assume that your friend wasn’t being honest with you and was trying to save face, or something else entirely was going on. Usually when you travel you keep at least one form of ID on you - probably not your passport but a local ID or driving license or something.

inglor_cz 3y ago

Yeah, in Czechia you pay approx. 1,5 eur for a verified signature. Your identity is verified against your national ID or passport. Every post office, every notary and every barrister can do that.