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> iCloud and every other kind of automated syncing is so damn complicated that I don't know everything that gets backed up Same for me, I'm really not used to

> iCloud and every other kind of automated syncing is so damn complicated that I don't know everything that gets backed up Same for me, I'm really not used to iOS either but there doesn't seem to be a way to know what's being synced or not, the progress of the sync and any sync logs from helping my father. And if there is, well I'm a software developer and didn't find it so it's clearly not a good UX. Good luck the day you end up needing your backed up data, you might get some unwanted surprises.

simondotau 3y ago
I've helped a few people recovering from backup after losing or destroying their iPhones. The iCloud backup has, in my experience at least, been nothing but good luck.
- realusername 3y ago
  Sure, it can be, I would not bet on it due to the lack of status though.
  - simondotau 3y ago
    When one accidentally drops their iPhone off a ferry and into the ocean water, most people tend to be infinitely grateful for any backup, even if it's 12 hours old. (And even if the device backup isn't up-to-the-minute, core iCloud features like messages, contacts, notes and photo libraries usually are.)
    - realusername 3y ago
      I don't mind if it's 100% up to date or perfect, but I'd only trust it if I can see somewhere that it's not been stuck not syncing and I can have a look at the sync logs. There's nothing worse than thinking you are covered whereas you weren't and you could not know about it. "Don't worry it will work" isn't satisfying enough in my opinion. Maybe it's because I'm a software dev but I know things can break, bugs do happen and I know by experience it's necessary to have a place to check the status of it. Back to my example where I help my father, I bought some extra storage to my father because he got an email that icloud was full. How long do I need to wait before the iphone is fully synced in order to format it? There's no way to know.

simondotau 3y ago

I've helped a few people recovering from backup after losing or destroying their iPhones. The iCloud backup has, in my experience at least, been nothing but good luck.

realusername 3y ago
Sure, it can be, I would not bet on it due to the lack of status though.
- simondotau 3y ago
  When one accidentally drops their iPhone off a ferry and into the ocean water, most people tend to be infinitely grateful for any backup, even if it's 12 hours old. (And even if the device backup isn't up-to-the-minute, core iCloud features like messages, contacts, notes and photo libraries usually are.)
  - realusername 3y ago
    I don't mind if it's 100% up to date or perfect, but I'd only trust it if I can see somewhere that it's not been stuck not syncing and I can have a look at the sync logs. There's nothing worse than thinking you are covered whereas you weren't and you could not know about it. "Don't worry it will work" isn't satisfying enough in my opinion. Maybe it's because I'm a software dev but I know things can break, bugs do happen and I know by experience it's necessary to have a place to check the status of it. Back to my example where I help my father, I bought some extra storage to my father because he got an email that icloud was full. How long do I need to wait before the iphone is fully synced in order to format it? There's no way to know.