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> The problem isn't knowledge, it's skill and understanding. Sorry, what? What are you saying knowledge is, then?

by usui 3y ago

ChatGTP 3y ago
The world is wiggly and unpredictable not square. Knowledge is mostly square. As many experienced people will tell you, Murphy's law is a bitch.
- usui 3y ago
  I think this is unfair to the definition of knowledge because what you and the parent post are saying ironically forces it into a cube-like box. Knowledge usually refers to an all-encompassing definition: > understanding of or information about a subject that you get by experience or study, either known by one person or by people generally https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/knowledge https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/knowledg... So if I don't know something by experiencing it or studying it, what other way is there? Skills and understanding fall under those two.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Personally, it's pretty rare I do something and it's the same each time, so I can draw on skill and expertise ( a form of knowledge) to help me out, but generally there is some inventiveness required for a given situation. For example, as a builder, you'd quickly understand two pieces of wood are the same, that's something which requires skills to work around, not just knowledge. Maybe it's better to say applied knowledge? Recently I've moved areas, and the type of cedar I get here is a little bit different to the type of cedar I get out west. It feels different to work with, and it's a bit of an art not to damage it. My previous knowledge didn't really prepare me for this.
  - kzrdude 3y ago
    I think that studying never gives deep knowledge if it doesn't involve actually doing it, i.e practice. I think that can get us closer to where the gap is here: just reading something is not enough to have all the knowledge?
ReptileMan 3y ago
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice often is ...
jdietrich 3y ago
I'm referring to tacit knowledge - the nuances of a subject that are difficult or impossible to codify, express or transmit. As a machinist, I rely a great deal on intuition. I can hear a bad cut across the room. I couldn't tell you exactly what it is that I'm listening for, but I can tell just by sound that a cutting insert is worn out or that the feeds and speeds aren't quite right. When I look at a drawing to plan out a sequence of cutting operations, I'm balancing dozens of parameters and thousands of subtle factors to achieve a suitable compromise between material removal rate, process stability, tool wear, energy consumption, precision and complexity. I can teach you all of the facts that I'm weighing up, but I can't fully explain all of the heuristics and instincts that guide that process of optimisation. Essentially all production machining is done with automated CNC machines, but most apprentices still start out learning on manually-operated machines. There are things you learn by standing at a machine and turning the handwheels that nobody knows how to teach.
kzrdude 3y ago
Try reading about a subject. Then learn from someone who has worked with the subject for 10-20 years. Experience matters a lot for deep knowledge. That's an important kind of knowledge.

> The problem isn't knowledge, it's skill and understanding. Sorry, what? What are you saying knowledge is, then?

by usui 3y ago

> The problem isn't knowledge, it's skill and understanding. Sorry, what? What are you saying knowledge is, then?

The world is wiggly and unpredictable not square. Knowledge is mostly square. As many experienced people will tell you, Murphy's law is a bitch.

usui 3y ago
I think this is unfair to the definition of knowledge because what you and the parent post are saying ironically forces it into a cube-like box. Knowledge usually refers to an all-encompassing definition: > understanding of or information about a subject that you get by experience or study, either known by one person or by people generally https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/knowledge https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/knowledg... So if I don't know something by experiencing it or studying it, what other way is there? Skills and understanding fall under those two.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Personally, it's pretty rare I do something and it's the same each time, so I can draw on skill and expertise ( a form of knowledge) to help me out, but generally there is some inventiveness required for a given situation. For example, as a builder, you'd quickly understand two pieces of wood are the same, that's something which requires skills to work around, not just knowledge. Maybe it's better to say applied knowledge? Recently I've moved areas, and the type of cedar I get here is a little bit different to the type of cedar I get out west. It feels different to work with, and it's a bit of an art not to damage it. My previous knowledge didn't really prepare me for this.
- kzrdude 3y ago
  I think that studying never gives deep knowledge if it doesn't involve actually doing it, i.e practice. I think that can get us closer to where the gap is here: just reading something is not enough to have all the knowledge?

ReptileMan 3y ago

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice often is ...

jdietrich 3y ago

I'm referring to tacit knowledge - the nuances of a subject that are difficult or impossible to codify, express or transmit. As a machinist, I rely a great deal on intuition. I can hear a bad cut across the room. I couldn't tell you exactly what it is that I'm listening for, but I can tell just by sound that a cutting insert is worn out or that the feeds and speeds aren't quite right. When I look at a drawing to plan out a sequence of cutting operations, I'm balancing dozens of parameters and thousands of subtle factors to achieve a suitable compromise between material removal rate, process stability, tool wear, energy consumption, precision and complexity. I can teach you all of the facts that I'm weighing up, but I can't fully explain all of the heuristics and instincts that guide that process of optimisation. Essentially all production machining is done with automated CNC machines, but most apprentices still start out learning on manually-operated machines. There are things you learn by standing at a machine and turning the handwheels that nobody knows how to teach.

kzrdude 3y ago

Try reading about a subject. Then learn from someone who has worked with the subject for 10-20 years. Experience matters a lot for deep knowledge. That's an important kind of knowledge.