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The stuff I do with LLMs is pretty conventional and wouldn't trigger even the most conservative content filter. However, the idea that a company can gatekeep LL

The stuff I do with LLMs is pretty conventional and wouldn't trigger even the most conservative content filter. However, the idea that a company can gatekeep LLMs to the point where you're at their mercy makes me feel angry. I'm glad that Llama 2 and other open source (let's not fight about semantics please) LLMs are catching up. OpenAI and Microsoft need serious competition.

orra 3y ago
> (let's not fight about semantics please) But what you dismiss as semantics is entirely relevant! You're upset that Microsoft and OpenAI gatekeep uncensored models. But Llama 2 has similar content filters, no? And certainly a huge list of license restrictions. I'm glad the actual open source models are constantly improving.
- selfhoster11 3y ago
  Llama 2, the base model, does not have any content filters or alignment built in. Llama 2 chat, the model creates by taking the Llama 2 base model and fine-tuning it with a specialised RLHF dataset, does have "filters" (pre-loaded responses more likely to be generated for certain topics and requests). In practice, on smaller models these are able to be bypassed with some prompt engineering. I expect uncensored chat models, created on top of the uncensored Llama 2 base models, to become available in a week or two at most (from the community, obviously, not from Facebook), if there are not already some available.
  - orra 3y ago
    Thank you for the correction. I still maintain the license is obnoxious, but clearly I was wrong about the models themselves.
    - selfhoster11 3y ago
      Oh yes, the license is definitely not great. But it's also much better than it could have been, and at least gives official assent for the model to be used for the majority of commercial and non-commercial purposes, which is better than what we had with the first leaked Llama.
  - awesomeMilou 3y ago
    Llama2's license agreement explicitly forbids training novel models based on Llama2's output. > v. You will not use the Llama Materials or any output or results of the Llama Materials to improve any other large language model (excluding Llama 2 or derivative works thereof). https://ai.meta.com/resources/models-and-libraries/llama-downloads/ https://ai.meta.com/resources/models-and-libraries/llama-dow...
    - proto-n 3y ago
      "Created on top of" does not mean training on the ouput, rather finetuning the model.
    - spott 3y ago
      Yes, completely new models will need to use a different model to generate content for… But you can absolutely create a fine tuning of llama2 base using llama2 output.
danielbln 3y ago
Have you played with Lama 2. It certainly is highly aligned to what Meta considers safe. Try asking Lama 2 for a dirty joke.
- selfhoster11 3y ago
  Llama 2 chat is not the same as Llama 2. The latter is not aligned and can be used as a base of future uncensored chat models by the community.

orra 3y ago

> (let's not fight about semantics please) But what you dismiss as semantics is entirely relevant! You're upset that Microsoft and OpenAI gatekeep uncensored models. But Llama 2 has similar content filters, no? And certainly a huge list of license restrictions. I'm glad the actual open source models are constantly improving.

selfhoster11 3y ago
Llama 2, the base model, does not have any content filters or alignment built in. Llama 2 chat, the model creates by taking the Llama 2 base model and fine-tuning it with a specialised RLHF dataset, does have "filters" (pre-loaded responses more likely to be generated for certain topics and requests). In practice, on smaller models these are able to be bypassed with some prompt engineering. I expect uncensored chat models, created on top of the uncensored Llama 2 base models, to become available in a week or two at most (from the community, obviously, not from Facebook), if there are not already some available.
- orra 3y ago
  Thank you for the correction. I still maintain the license is obnoxious, but clearly I was wrong about the models themselves.
  - selfhoster11 3y ago
    Oh yes, the license is definitely not great. But it's also much better than it could have been, and at least gives official assent for the model to be used for the majority of commercial and non-commercial purposes, which is better than what we had with the first leaked Llama.
- awesomeMilou 3y ago
  Llama2's license agreement explicitly forbids training novel models based on Llama2's output. > v. You will not use the Llama Materials or any output or results of the Llama Materials to improve any other large language model (excluding Llama 2 or derivative works thereof). https://ai.meta.com/resources/models-and-libraries/llama-downloads/ https://ai.meta.com/resources/models-and-libraries/llama-dow...
  - proto-n 3y ago
    "Created on top of" does not mean training on the ouput, rather finetuning the model.
  - spott 3y ago
    Yes, completely new models will need to use a different model to generate content for… But you can absolutely create a fine tuning of llama2 base using llama2 output.

danielbln 3y ago

Have you played with Lama 2. It certainly is highly aligned to what Meta considers safe. Try asking Lama 2 for a dirty joke.

selfhoster11 3y ago
Llama 2 chat is not the same as Llama 2. The latter is not aligned and can be used as a base of future uncensored chat models by the community.