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Like you said, I think looking at younger ages is sufficient. In 1999, teen (15-19) suicide was at around 8/100k, and it's now around 11/100k. It's lower in ab

Like you said, I think looking at younger ages is sufficient. In 1999, teen (15-19) suicide was at around 8/100k, and it's now around 11/100k. It's lower in absolute numbers than in the general population, but there's still a disturbing uptick. https://www.charliehealth.com/research/the-us-teen-suicide-rate-is-on-the-rise https://www.charliehealth.com/research/the-us-teen-suicide-r...

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
It would be interesting to know how many people committing suicides were on SSRIs or antipsychotics, etc. at the time. These drugs are known to induce suicidal ideations (and ideations of violence, aggression, and homicide) and have carried black-box warnings. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease. Oh sorry, not a cure.
- Timon3 3y ago
  At the same time it would be interesting to know how many had these ideas before SSRI. If you've been feeling suicidal for a long time, and SSRIs haven't improved your condition, you might feel hopeless enough to commit the act - without SSRIs being any kind of cause.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    The fact of having a prescription for psychotropic drugs is a knowable thing, albeit jealously guarded by HIPAA and lawsuit-averse manufacturers. Perhaps it is less knowable whether the victims were taking those drugs and had "therapeutic" levels in their systems at time of death. But it would be extremely unknowable whether or not they had experienced suicidal ideations, and how long they had had them. Because the most you will get is a note in the medical chart, based on a verbal claim by an unreliable narrator.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      Then it seems like a pretty terrible idea to just assume they increase the likelihood of social ideation more than they prevent, no?
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Tell that to the pharmaceutical manufacturers who ran clinical trials, received guidance from the FDA, and have been required to black-box-label the drugs according to the suicidal ideations which were scientifically proven to increase due to taking the drugs. I don't know where you got "assume"?

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

It would be interesting to know how many people committing suicides were on SSRIs or antipsychotics, etc. at the time. These drugs are known to induce suicidal ideations (and ideations of violence, aggression, and homicide) and have carried black-box warnings. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease. Oh sorry, not a cure.

Timon3 3y ago
At the same time it would be interesting to know how many had these ideas before SSRI. If you've been feeling suicidal for a long time, and SSRIs haven't improved your condition, you might feel hopeless enough to commit the act - without SSRIs being any kind of cause.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  The fact of having a prescription for psychotropic drugs is a knowable thing, albeit jealously guarded by HIPAA and lawsuit-averse manufacturers. Perhaps it is less knowable whether the victims were taking those drugs and had "therapeutic" levels in their systems at time of death. But it would be extremely unknowable whether or not they had experienced suicidal ideations, and how long they had had them. Because the most you will get is a note in the medical chart, based on a verbal claim by an unreliable narrator.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    Then it seems like a pretty terrible idea to just assume they increase the likelihood of social ideation more than they prevent, no?
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Tell that to the pharmaceutical manufacturers who ran clinical trials, received guidance from the FDA, and have been required to black-box-label the drugs according to the suicidal ideations which were scientifically proven to increase due to taking the drugs. I don't know where you got "assume"?