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We’ve been offshoring manufacturing for decades now. That’s decades of experience to be found.
by alphabettsy 3y ago
We’ve been offshoring manufacturing for decades now. That’s decades of experience to be found.
- tom_ 3y agoWait, I thought the knowledge had been permanently destroyed? Forever lost, with no hope of ever figuring out whatever it was? Simply rediscovering what was previously known seems reasonably achievable!
- pessimizer 3y agoYou can't teach 20 years of experience in a year. The people we once had with 20 years of experience found other work.
- breezeTrowel 3y agoWhy not?
- steve1977 3y agoI guess the problem is more that experience is often implicit knowledge and intuition that is hard to teach to others (or even put into words)
- mcpackieh 3y agoYou can teach 20 years of experience but it takes 20 years.
- nine_k 3y agoWhy can't you teach a language to a native proficiency in a year? There's quite a lot to know, and the speed of learning is limited. Answers to advanced questions which you are ready to provide must be met by the actual questions from the student, which must first form in their head as a result of processing the previous servings of knowledge.
- breezeTrowel 3y agoThe corpus of a language is a lot larger and more complex than 20 years of experience in manufacturing especially when a lot of the techniques become dated as new ways of doing things are discovered. Also, we teach thousands of years of experience in mathematics within the scope of 10-20 years. The problem isn't that you can't teach 20 years of experience in a year - you can. The problem is that this knowledge isn't stored anywhere that's easily accessible and that makes propagation next to impossible.
- peteradio 3y agoYou aren't gaining experience every second of those 20 years. There is definitely a large condensation factor to be had here and knowledge can be transferred in written word. What are we saying here? The only method of communication has to be done via hip thrusts and eye brow waggles?
- agentgumshoe 3y agoAside the hyperbole, yeah, it's now decades of 're-learning' ahead again, that's permanently destroyed for a generation or two (considering the existing decades of loss) who it won't be there for.
- specialist 3y agoIn some cases, that's true. There's stuff like weapons where the knowhow is truly gone. So the DoD has to reverse engineer the remaining artifacts and attempt to recreate the entire stack.
- leptons 3y agoSure the skills can be taught to people, but who wants to do it for slave wages? If the CEO's salary were cut in half, and the other half distributed among the employees, people would be clamoring to learn these skills. The CEO would still be doing extremely well and workers would be getting paid a real living wage. But nobody wants to do most of the jobs it takes to bring manufacturing back if the pay isn't there.
- twoodfin 3y agoI think you have a mistaken impression of the scale of CEO pay for large corporations vs. total payroll. Tim Cook is one of the highest compensated CEOs in the world. In his best years he’s paid something like $100M all-in. Apple has around 165,000 employees. Dividing up half his salary amongst them would be about $300 each.
- bombcar 3y agoPeople are really, REALLY bad with large numbers.
- flangola7 3y agoYou're not wrong on that specific point, but it still misses the forest for the trees.
- leptons 3y agoThat's called cherry picking. Most of Apple's employees aren't slaving away in factories, and they already get paid well. Apple also outsources the really shitty manufacturing work to people making slave wages in other countries where they don't even have a choice not to work. If you can cherry pick, then I can too. Rivian's CEO made $422,140,679 in 2021, and they have 14,122 employees, so half that salary divided by number of employees comes out to $14,946 per employee. Not a bad bump in pay especially if you're in a factory putting together car parts. The CEO of "Lucid Group, Inc." made $565,591,512 in 2021 and they had 7,200 employees, so the figure there is $39,277 per employee. Trust me, Peter Rawlinson will do just fine making only $282,795,756 per year. The CEO of "Bright Health Group, Inc." makes $180,813,849 per year and they employ 1500 people - split in half and distributed to the employees they would get a pay bump of $60,271 per year. So yeah. You can cherry-pick all you want, but the fact is that CEO pay is too damned high, and it's no wonder people don't want to go slave away in factories making a few dollars while the CEOs can afford 3 mega yachts and 12 vacation homes.
- jimbob45 3y agoThere's a high chance AI significantly lowers the barrier of gaining experience with these things.
- izacus 3y agoI wonder what kind of thought process makes you write this kind of nonsense.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 3y agoExactly the kind of thought that can be replaced without a loss.
- jimbob45 3y ago“Oh no, all the training materials for this technique/tool are in Chinese and are spread out across a variety of media. If only we had a tool that could slurp up all this training data easily and teach it to me not only in my own language, but also via my favorite method of learning”.
- alphabettsy 3y agoThe best schools for training are still in the US, but you can’t replace experience.
- nine_k 3y agoHow well does ChatGPT operate a lathe? Construct a mold that produces a plastic cast not prone to defects? Tweak a process that suddenly started to produce too much defective output to avoid defects? Possibly the current approaches to AI can be used in these areas. But I'm afraid we're very much not there yet.