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New Body Cam Data Exposes the True Scale of NYPD Violence Against Protesters

69 points by leotravis10 3y ago

adr1an 3y ago
Law firm used this tool called Codec, to put videos from different sources on a map: https://situ.nyc/research/projects/codec-collaborative-tool https://situ.nyc/research/projects/codec-collaborative-tool
greatfilter251 3y ago
> $9950 Structuring, really?
- justinclift 3y ago
  Wonder how many of them will magically have that money confiscated by the police for one reason or another in the near-ish future?
klyrs 3y ago
https://archive.is/dkggp https://archive.is/dkggp
mutant_glofish 3y ago
Maybe, but you don't need to watch any videos to know that the protests were probably of the "fiery but mostly peaceful" kind.
mrangle 3y ago
Now do the inverse analysis. Hold liable anyone in an official position who directly incited virtually an entire election-year of violent riots that mostly targeted and victimized innocents. There's precedent in the making for that type of liability.
- epakai 3y ago
  I can't believe the level of whataboutism in quick replies to this post. Have you considered maybe if policing authorities had been held to account in the first place, then these protests wouldn't have existed at all? You don't even have to think that far back to see it in action. The Ferguson protests happened in 2014. The executive had a measured response that addressed the issue, not even fixed, just addressed. When public peaceful protests happened between then and now those groups were told to fuck off by the president and vice president. "Get that son of a bitch off the field". There's your catalyst, not groups of people who were so motivated by bad policing they went out on the streets to protest. The executive in power that was made aware of an issue, and said we not only reject it, but we will antagonize you for bringing it up. These people were subject to violent policing that they were protesting. The irony is palpable, but we see it get excused as just political hacks egging them on, or it was justified because of adjacent activities.
- klyrs 3y ago
  I'm not sure you took the time to understand the technology that the article is about. Because it's geared at collecting event sequencing from terabytes of evidence. If you were interested in turning that technology on protesters, it is open source. But whatever you're saying about politicians here is a total non sequitur.
joemazerino 3y ago
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- defrost 3y ago
  While looting and vandalism took place in several neighborhoods during the protests, the demonstrations were largely peaceful. The article doesn't address police violence against violent looters. The article addresses * delibrately kettling peaceful demonstrators excersing constitutional rights in order to charge them with breaking curfew. * excessive force (beating with batons) person not breaking any laws. * etc. > What about ... Your statement seems to be stating that if other people break the law then it is okay if I (as a police officer) beat you and cause you concussion and a trip to the hopital.
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  - lockhouse 3y ago
    Can we stop calling looting and vandalism protesting? Destroying a community and the businesses within shouldn’t be equated with peaceful marches. Someone taking a PlayStation and some overpriced sneakers from a store and burning down several city blocks is not okay.
    - arwineap 3y ago
      I don't think the world is so binary, if the entire mass of people in the streets were burning and looting we'd still be rebuilding today. Someone taking a playstation and some overpriced sneakers from a story several blocks away from the protests does not make protests a violet uprising with arsonists and looters. It means the vast majority of those people were protesting, and a small minority were committing crimes.
      - joemazerino 3y ago
        You are describing looting at rhe same time saying it isn't looting. It is easy to dismiss property theft as a non-issue but it affects small business. The "small minority" caused over 1B worth of damage at the time of the riots with some cities having never recuperated.
oaiey 3y ago
Two thoughts: they should use tools like this by default within the police so the supervisors get by default alarms if their field officers do something brutal. And then you can do reporting up the whole hierarchy, how much stays unreported, which one is correct, tolerated, wrong and actually prosecuted. Could be a good way to held everyone accountable, reduce liability for lack of oversight and generally reduce the physical violence. Probably already on the work at the vendors of the bodycams. Second, I think it is very challenging to correctly qualify some of the violence as correct or wrong. I believe this will always be a human process and the actually messy part
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  The assumption that supervisors would engage in disciplinary action against their officers committing such abuses of power is rather naïve considering the history of such things within of the NYPD[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department_corruption_and_misconduct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Departmen...
  - oaiey 3y ago
    Well, do not disagree with that, but the first thing which need to vanish is the excuse of everyone that they have no idea. And a single incident by a regular court process would be enough to fire the supervisor. It is a tool in the end. How effective depends how you use it.

69 points by leotravis10 3y ago

Law firm used this tool called Codec, to put videos from different sources on a map: https://situ.nyc/research/projects/codec-collaborative-tool https://situ.nyc/research/projects/codec-collaborative-tool

greatfilter251 3y ago

> $9950 Structuring, really?

justinclift 3y ago
Wonder how many of them will magically have that money confiscated by the police for one reason or another in the near-ish future?

klyrs 3y ago

https://archive.is/dkggp https://archive.is/dkggp

mutant_glofish 3y ago

Maybe, but you don't need to watch any videos to know that the protests were probably of the "fiery but mostly peaceful" kind.

mrangle 3y ago

Now do the inverse analysis. Hold liable anyone in an official position who directly incited virtually an entire election-year of violent riots that mostly targeted and victimized innocents. There's precedent in the making for that type of liability.

epakai 3y ago
I can't believe the level of whataboutism in quick replies to this post. Have you considered maybe if policing authorities had been held to account in the first place, then these protests wouldn't have existed at all? You don't even have to think that far back to see it in action. The Ferguson protests happened in 2014. The executive had a measured response that addressed the issue, not even fixed, just addressed. When public peaceful protests happened between then and now those groups were told to fuck off by the president and vice president. "Get that son of a bitch off the field". There's your catalyst, not groups of people who were so motivated by bad policing they went out on the streets to protest. The executive in power that was made aware of an issue, and said we not only reject it, but we will antagonize you for bringing it up. These people were subject to violent policing that they were protesting. The irony is palpable, but we see it get excused as just political hacks egging them on, or it was justified because of adjacent activities.
klyrs 3y ago
I'm not sure you took the time to understand the technology that the article is about. Because it's geared at collecting event sequencing from terabytes of evidence. If you were interested in turning that technology on protesters, it is open source. But whatever you're saying about politicians here is a total non sequitur.

joemazerino 3y ago

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defrost 3y ago
While looting and vandalism took place in several neighborhoods during the protests, the demonstrations were largely peaceful. The article doesn't address police violence against violent looters. The article addresses * delibrately kettling peaceful demonstrators excersing constitutional rights in order to charge them with breaking curfew. * excessive force (beating with batons) person not breaking any laws. * etc. > What about ... Your statement seems to be stating that if other people break the law then it is okay if I (as a police officer) beat you and cause you concussion and a trip to the hopital.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- lockhouse 3y ago
  Can we stop calling looting and vandalism protesting? Destroying a community and the businesses within shouldn’t be equated with peaceful marches. Someone taking a PlayStation and some overpriced sneakers from a store and burning down several city blocks is not okay.
  - arwineap 3y ago
    I don't think the world is so binary, if the entire mass of people in the streets were burning and looting we'd still be rebuilding today. Someone taking a playstation and some overpriced sneakers from a story several blocks away from the protests does not make protests a violet uprising with arsonists and looters. It means the vast majority of those people were protesting, and a small minority were committing crimes.
    - joemazerino 3y ago
      You are describing looting at rhe same time saying it isn't looting. It is easy to dismiss property theft as a non-issue but it affects small business. The "small minority" caused over 1B worth of damage at the time of the riots with some cities having never recuperated.

oaiey 3y ago

Two thoughts: they should use tools like this by default within the police so the supervisors get by default alarms if their field officers do something brutal. And then you can do reporting up the whole hierarchy, how much stays unreported, which one is correct, tolerated, wrong and actually prosecuted. Could be a good way to held everyone accountable, reduce liability for lack of oversight and generally reduce the physical violence. Probably already on the work at the vendors of the bodycams. Second, I think it is very challenging to correctly qualify some of the violence as correct or wrong. I believe this will always be a human process and the actually messy part

wildrhythms 3y ago
The assumption that supervisors would engage in disciplinary action against their officers committing such abuses of power is rather naïve considering the history of such things within of the NYPD[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department_corruption_and_misconduct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Departmen...
- oaiey 3y ago
  Well, do not disagree with that, but the first thing which need to vanish is the excuse of everyone that they have no idea. And a single incident by a regular court process would be enough to fire the supervisor. It is a tool in the end. How effective depends how you use it.