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Does anyone bother to write that the gauls were losers? Vercingetorix got owned! The Spartans get way too much hype but they also had a fairly respectable run

• kybernetikos 3y ago
  > They beat Persia and then Athens I hope you're not counting Thermopylae as them 'beating Persia'. Thermopylae was a disastrous defeat. Marathon and Salamis seem to be more important than Thermopylae (and are victories), and those were led by Athens as far as I can make out. You may be referring to Plataea, which was led by Sparta, but included forces from the whole Greek alliance, including nearly as many troops from Athens as Sparta. As to them beating Athens, that was only after taking an enormous amount of Persian money to do so, and would most likely have been impossible otherwise.
  • riku_iki 3y ago
    they had help from allies, but they still won those wars and not lost.
    • kybernetikos 3y ago
      That's fine, as long as you also agree that Athens 'beat Persia'.
      • riku_iki 3y ago
        i am not expert, but my reading of wiki is that there were two wars: - first invasion where persian were defeated by athens, and sparta was not involved much because persian didn't come to sparta close - second, much larger invasion, where persians again attacked athens first, essentially defeated athens (athenians left the city), then athenians asked sparta to join the war or otherwise they will surrender to persians. Sparta assembled army, and defeated persians in the battle of plataea. It looks like spartans defeated persians, and athenians would surrender if no sparta's involvement
        • kybernetikos 3y ago
          they had help from allies, but they still won those wars and not lost.
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