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Sparta was a incredibly brutal army masquerading as a state. Like all great powers they were successful until they weren't. It's weird how we forget Athenian b
by FormerBandmate 3y ago
Sparta was a incredibly brutal army masquerading as a state. Like all great powers they were successful until they weren't.
It's weird how we forget Athenian brutality in the whole Athens/Sparta dichotomy. There Melian dialogue is literally them shaking down their neighbors and then brutally murdering them drug cartel style, and Sparta won the Peloponnesian war by being more diplomatic. We uncritically buy into both of their propaganda about themselves
- wdr1 3y ago> There Melian dialogue is literally them shaking down their neighbors and then brutally murdering them "The strong do as they will. The weak submit."
- B1FF_PSUVM 3y ago"Where some states have an army, the Prussian Army has a state", as a wit later put it. But yeah, reading Thucydides (also an out-of-sorts Athenian) leaves you with a lingering doubt about the inherent goodness of political regimes - "The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."