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There isn't much difference between expulsion and putting them in an asylum, no?

by veave 3y ago

_8j50 3y ago
There is, more space and freedom to do whatever they want there.
- veave 3y ago
  Most likely they will simply die of starvation.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    They can take what they want with them, farm the land, fish, build houses, cities,etc...
    - doctor_eval 3y ago
      If they could do these things, they wouldn't be banished.
      - _8j50 3y ago
        Yes they would, we are not talking about mental/physical handicapped people here. It's people who are already in mainstream society and end up being insane from the perspective of society, they can still fish, hunt, farm. Moreover, concerned people or even the government can provide them aid if they need it, they are still citizens.
        doctor_eval 3y ago
        How many regular people do you think are able to fish, hunt and farm - and whose life now depends on it? What about agoraphobics or germaphobes? Who will give up the very valuable arable land and clean water needed for these activities? Who will teach them to do it? It’s very difficult to shake the idea that you’re trolling.
        _8j50 3y ago
        I am very serious, I too can't shake the idea that you don't get this is a choice. If you choose this, you prepare for it or you have accepted this future. I am not suggesting this as punishment but as an option to existing punishment, to being thrown into jails and asylums. Would you not prefer to be allowed to live in a forest or some set aside survivable place than rot in an institution? I am even all for basic survival training if people choose it. America was built by people that kept migrating to the west to live out their ways or as punishment. Same with australia. The only thing new in my suggestion is having it be a consensual option.
- krapp 3y ago
  But clearly what they want is to remain within society, otherwise they would have simply run off into the wilderness on their own accord.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    This will allow them to form a society that will tolerate their ways and appease existing mainstream society. Polygamy in utah is a good example.
kelseyfrog 3y ago
There is from a sociological perspective. It's the difference between therapy and nihilation[1]. The section on therapy and nihilation comprises just a few paragraphs, but the general gist is this. Therapy prevents immigrations from reality and nihilation prevents contamination of reality. They are, of course, both machines of universe maintenance. However just because they share a telos, doesn't mean there isn't much of a difference. There is a vast difference between the experience of being subjected to either therapy or nihilation depending on the social and material particulars of each. 1. Berger, P.L. and Luckmann, T. (1966) The Social Construction of Reality: A Treatise in the Sociology of Knowledge. Doubleday & Company, New York.
lurquer 3y ago
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There isn't much difference between expulsion and putting them in an asylum, no?

by veave 3y ago

There isn't much difference between expulsion and putting them in an asylum, no?

_8j50 3y ago

There is, more space and freedom to do whatever they want there.

veave 3y ago
Most likely they will simply die of starvation.
- _8j50 3y ago
  They can take what they want with them, farm the land, fish, build houses, cities,etc...
  - doctor_eval 3y ago
    If they could do these things, they wouldn't be banished.
    - _8j50 3y ago
      Yes they would, we are not talking about mental/physical handicapped people here. It's people who are already in mainstream society and end up being insane from the perspective of society, they can still fish, hunt, farm. Moreover, concerned people or even the government can provide them aid if they need it, they are still citizens.
      - doctor_eval 3y ago
        How many regular people do you think are able to fish, hunt and farm - and whose life now depends on it? What about agoraphobics or germaphobes? Who will give up the very valuable arable land and clean water needed for these activities? Who will teach them to do it? It’s very difficult to shake the idea that you’re trolling.
        _8j50 3y ago
        I am very serious, I too can't shake the idea that you don't get this is a choice. If you choose this, you prepare for it or you have accepted this future. I am not suggesting this as punishment but as an option to existing punishment, to being thrown into jails and asylums. Would you not prefer to be allowed to live in a forest or some set aside survivable place than rot in an institution? I am even all for basic survival training if people choose it. America was built by people that kept migrating to the west to live out their ways or as punishment. Same with australia. The only thing new in my suggestion is having it be a consensual option.
krapp 3y ago
But clearly what they want is to remain within society, otherwise they would have simply run off into the wilderness on their own accord.
- _8j50 3y ago
  This will allow them to form a society that will tolerate their ways and appease existing mainstream society. Polygamy in utah is a good example.

kelseyfrog 3y ago

There is from a sociological perspective. It's the difference between therapy and nihilation[1]. The section on therapy and nihilation comprises just a few paragraphs, but the general gist is this. Therapy prevents immigrations from reality and nihilation prevents contamination of reality. They are, of course, both machines of universe maintenance. However just because they share a telos, doesn't mean there isn't much of a difference. There is a vast difference between the experience of being subjected to either therapy or nihilation depending on the social and material particulars of each. 1. Berger, P.L. and Luckmann, T. (1966) The Social Construction of Reality: A Treatise in the Sociology of Knowledge. Doubleday & Company, New York.

lurquer 3y ago

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