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This is why I hope PWAs take off more. If there is an implicit "save first party cookies forever" for PWAs that have been "installed" and we make them discovera

This is why I hope PWAs take off more. If there is an implicit "save first party cookies forever" for PWAs that have been "installed" and we make them discoverable it's a net win.

londons_explore 3y ago
Apple will make sure PWA's aren't successful. They can't risk their control over the app ecosystem.
- j5155 3y ago
  Are you aware that iOS supports PWAs, and recently implemented notifications for them?
  - samwillis 3y ago
    Exactly, they are in recent years moving to address these previous issues, I applaud them. I would like it if they were more discoverable, but not necessarily with the obnoxious pop ups. It would be awesome if they let you list a PWA in the App Store for a fee or the 30% cut.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    Only 8 years late: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-open-web/ https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-... Besides - there are plenty of other things Apple can do to ensure PWA's don't take off. For example, there is no ability for a web-app to have a "click here to install to desktop" button - the website must try to guide the user into clicking the share button and then creating a desktop icon - which most users don't associate with 'installing' something. Also, the 50Mb limit on PWA's prevents a lot of usecases - like photo/video editors, and even most messaging apps.
    - guraf 3y ago
      Fascinating how to keep moving the goalposts. Firefox refuses to implement pwa. Chrome has pwas but they're not isolated. Apple is the only one with sane pwa but somehow they're the worst and are totally sabotaging PWAs because something something walled garden?
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - jefftk 3y ago
        If you want to use a PWA on an iPhone, you are fully dependent on Safari support. Firefox's decisions here aren't blocking anyone.
      - simfree 3y ago
        Firefox Android certainly supports Progressive Web Apps with push notifications, I use them daily.
    - andai 3y ago
      >50 MB excludes most messaging apps The entirety of TempleOS (including dozens of programs and multimedia games) is 2MB.
      - jefftk 3y ago
        At 640x480 (for the whole screen) and 16-bit color
        philistine 3y ago
        Hey, TempleOS is simply using the resolution God requires.
      - londons_explore 3y ago
        This isn't just the limit for css/js... It's the limit for user data too. Ie. if you share some videos with a PWA app, then all the videos have to fit inside 50MB unless you want to fetch them from a server each time you play them. Or consider a PWA music player - 50MB of music is all you can play offline. Or a photo editor - 50MB is the limit for all your saved files unless you want to save them to a cloud server.

This is why I hope PWAs take off more. If there is an implicit "save first party cookies forever" for PWAs that have been "installed" and we make them discoverable it's a net win.

londons_explore 3y ago

Apple will make sure PWA's aren't successful. They can't risk their control over the app ecosystem.

j5155 3y ago
Are you aware that iOS supports PWAs, and recently implemented notifications for them?
- samwillis 3y ago
  Exactly, they are in recent years moving to address these previous issues, I applaud them. I would like it if they were more discoverable, but not necessarily with the obnoxious pop ups. It would be awesome if they let you list a PWA in the App Store for a fee or the 30% cut.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  Only 8 years late: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-open-web/ https://developer.chrome.com/blog/push-notifications-on-the-... Besides - there are plenty of other things Apple can do to ensure PWA's don't take off. For example, there is no ability for a web-app to have a "click here to install to desktop" button - the website must try to guide the user into clicking the share button and then creating a desktop icon - which most users don't associate with 'installing' something. Also, the 50Mb limit on PWA's prevents a lot of usecases - like photo/video editors, and even most messaging apps.
  - guraf 3y ago
    Fascinating how to keep moving the goalposts. Firefox refuses to implement pwa. Chrome has pwas but they're not isolated. Apple is the only one with sane pwa but somehow they're the worst and are totally sabotaging PWAs because something something walled garden?
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - jefftk 3y ago
      If you want to use a PWA on an iPhone, you are fully dependent on Safari support. Firefox's decisions here aren't blocking anyone.
    - simfree 3y ago
      Firefox Android certainly supports Progressive Web Apps with push notifications, I use them daily.
  - andai 3y ago
    >50 MB excludes most messaging apps The entirety of TempleOS (including dozens of programs and multimedia games) is 2MB.
    - jefftk 3y ago
      At 640x480 (for the whole screen) and 16-bit color
      - philistine 3y ago
        Hey, TempleOS is simply using the resolution God requires.
    - londons_explore 3y ago
      This isn't just the limit for css/js... It's the limit for user data too. Ie. if you share some videos with a PWA app, then all the videos have to fit inside 50MB unless you want to fetch them from a server each time you play them. Or consider a PWA music player - 50MB of music is all you can play offline. Or a photo editor - 50MB is the limit for all your saved files unless you want to save them to a cloud server.